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https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...657&zoneid=132

NHRA announces Automatic Horsepower Factor System (AHFS) Changes for 2023
In an effort to bring Stock and Super Stock back to its grass roots of being performance-based eliminators, and lengthy discussions with Racers, the SRAC, the Stock/Super Stock Rules Committee and the Rules Review Panel; NHRA has made the following changes to the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system (AHFS) for 2023.



· All runs count for end of year average

· No automatic adjustments

· No mineshaft

And it appears the -1.20 or quicker isn't immediate anymore.

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I think this was a bad idea. But we'll see how it plays out. I think many more 1000' runs. Overall I think it hurts the classes

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I wonder if “All” really means all. Mathematically you could add back to your average if it was really “All.”

I expect an edit.

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Very well could, am I reading it right that you can now go say 1.40 under and not be subject to hp till year end? Assuming of course that you go 1 under again, and can’t bring the average down under .849 by then. Could be interesting. Are those body weights still changing? I can’t recall what the deal was with those.

Eric

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Does this mean no more "gimmies" at Indy and Natl. Opens?

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Does AllRuns mean opens too? Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

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Depends on what part of the link you want to believe (or they choose to apply). First part says all runs, but further down it says certain runs don’t count including exempting National Opens.

Who knows.

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For as many years as this has been discussed, I find the timing very
interesting. Anybody else?

J.R.

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All runs count even test and tune......really, a performance based eliminator? 1/8 mile et count? Who wants to go fast or set a record? A whole lotta brake pads being used next year !!!!!

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Everybody wants to gripe about everything. Ya'll apparently didn't read the whole thing

No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.

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"The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department."

Only time will tell what this all means, but I think NHRA using their discretion, is going to become the norm. Its the way it was done in the past, now they have better data to base decisions.

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You guys definitely lack reading skills…OPENS dont count, T and T doesn’t count, Jegs all star race doesn’t count, 1/8 mile doesn’t count ….It will be INTERESTING to see if INDY counts…..It appears that Mr. Worner COULD be the LAST racer to see an immediate HP penalty ….

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I have not read the complete posting by NHRA in this regard.
"ALL RUNS COUNT" statement, my question is, does that include runs slower than the . 350 ?

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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Does this mean that runs of -1.20 won't be torn down anymore?

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So those who got hp under old rules but would not have gotten hp under the new rules get kinda screwed.

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Sounds like they are going to look at every run. Maybe also different increments, not just 1/4 ET and MPH. Changing it up for the upcoming season interesting move by NHRA

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Makes you wonder. Punish the index all year with a car that might not ever get looked at?

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So if there is no instant horsepower for 120 under hit
Doesn’t it give the racer’s the chance to lower the average?
Doesn’t make sense

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I wonder if they will bring back lowering HP on certain combos that are not competitive. The way it is now you can’t request HP reduction if it has ever received a hit in the past.

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About time. Bryan Worner would be loving this right now. But to listen to everyone whine about it being a performance based class then to whine when they allow you to run what you want without immediate penalties is crazy. YOU control what YOUR average is no matter what you run. I am sure there are some 350 tpi camaros that wish this was in place when an accidental 1.24 under completely killed the combo that is now a .8-.9 at best combo. As far as the illegal cars running the avg up.....all it takes is money and balls. Put up the protest money and have them torn down and deemed legal. Swallowing your pride does not cause indigestion. Quit whining about it and do something.

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That whole paragraph is crossed out and in red. As in it's the new rule!!!! All runs count.

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As I remember the "Accidental" 1.24 under run the racer was a car length ahead at the 1/8 mile going by incremental numbers. Also said racer ran it out the back door even when his opponent hit his brakes. Not whining stating facts.

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It says farther up the page in black that runs made at opens do not count towards the average. I see what you mean though. It is crossed out in red farther down the page.

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Yupp very confusing

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NO TEAR DOWN on PROTESTS allowed ever in Div. 7 per
theDiv. Director

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Time to call Huckster & Finagle, attorneys at law

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The paragraph you are referring to is about mine shaft. Read the first section.

“No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.”

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It really needs to be cleaned up. The paragraph below the one you are referencing refers to the 1.00 second triggers which would take two to initiate a review. This is in conflict with the very first section that simply states all runs will be used to calculate a review.

So is it all runs regardless or do there still need to be two triggers?

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Just the basic scale and fuel check are necessary to count.

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Is this a joke?

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Hopefully they will also add a bit of incentive to the fire, like some points for #1 qualifier.....maybe clarify with the sportmans reps when a fast run motor needs to be pumped, sealed and then come apart.

Could be extremely fun, this needs a bit of work think Cypress Hill lyrics:

so if you want to be a stock/superstock superstar,
live large,
A Big RV, trailer, spare no expense fast cars
Qualifying for that bye in round 1

Eric

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"All runs count for end of year average"

Averages just have to go away completely,what have been screwing up AHFS the whole time is that you could play the averages.
They just have to come up with something smarter

It needs to be about Drag Racing and not about playing a stupid game called protecting a combo!

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I wouldn't exactly call someone protecting their combo a stupid game. People have a lot of money and time invested in their particular combinations. I don't think I've ever met a stock/super stock racer who didn't try to protect their combo in one way or another. It doesn't matter what structure is in place. People are going to protect what they got.

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Oh well. I had heard about the big fix for the AHFS recently.
I have to say I'm disappointed.
I had expected that maybe they would do something to stop all the 1000' runs, like maybe lowering the indexes a couple of tenths.
It seems to me that this will only encourage more sandbagging, and I use the term with reverence. We've all done it, since about the time the FWD cars were added.
Today, lots of RWD combos are about a second faster, thanks to technology and all the goodies added.

I would have hoped NHRA would see this and do something appropriate .

Somebody please tell me how this is going to help much of anything?

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That is easy! It reduces the NHRA Tech dept expense for teardown.

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One good thing about have a slow car (index wise) like mine is you don’t have to worry about hitting your own combo. 😆😆 lol somebody else did that for me years ago.

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Re: Ahfs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros View Post
Eliminate the scrutiny and lower the indexes .10
It's long overdue.

rboyle: That's just dumb.

So now it's okay? Based on your like of Yac's post.

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Ok no mineshaft . So somebody with the same combo runs fast 1.00-1.25 all year runs up the average gets you both HP and never get taken apart ...wow ...I agree with Jamie

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I guess now you can set a record anywhere you like. No more waiting for an open.

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I think Bobby Fazio should have a video interview on this subject with Lonnie Grimm right here on ClassRacer.com