Hey Troy Huntzberry, Do The Right Thing!
 

Troy Huntzberry, you know you should NOT have gone to the second round at Orlando. Casey Miles won first round. Jim


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At every race I've been to, if you stage and your dial is wrong, you own it. I was sick with food poison, I was just in the car because I had to. I wasn't paying much attention to anything other than just trying to make a pass. I know better about the dials, but again I didn't even look since I just wanted to get the race done. Instead of our dials, the indexes were on the board, I didn't look. I went 100 ft out and the car broke the engine. I did notice that my win light was on, so I had the car pushed to the scale. It was correct weight. It's the drivers responsibility on both lanes to look at the dials. You stage, you own it. If you go to the first rd of stock on NHRA.TV, we are the first pair out. I have a time slip which indicates I was the winner, circumstances are messed up, but mistakes are made and it lands on the driver's.

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If the 302 car did not cross the center line or hit the wall and the opponent broke out and lost, Casey is the one advancing to round two according to the rules as I understand them. The racer that took it on the chin was the person that should have had a broke single due to Casey engine failure. In class racing a racer has to dial the index or quicker for the class the car is teched in as. Its the racer responsibility to check the dial in on being correct. If the dial is incorrect tell the starter and have it changed, if you stage the car you bought the race. I know first hand from a race in Noble, OK

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This was 100% the DD’s decision.

Once the DD assesses the situation and makes the call, the racers are out of it.

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The DD can not over rule the RULE BOOK! There are too many case histories on this. Both drivers accepted the dials on the board. That's the rule. That's why they are in the rule book, to make decisions by. Case over. The DD has no clue what the book says. Jim

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NHRA needs to read and understand the Rule Book under Section 2 Race Procedures as written.

Part quote from Rule Book Section 2. Break Out rules: Contestants who race below the posted index or category standard during eliminations are disqualified, with the following exceptions:

1) when an opponent foul starts or crosses a boundary line

2) on a single run

3) when both cars run under their index, the driver who is least under is the winner

4) when two cars of the same class race (doesn't apply to Super categories)

5) two drivers under by same amount the racer crossing wins

It's a Rule Book that we all play by, its not a Suggestion Manual.

Rules applied in a fair, firm, and friendly manner make the sport fun for all participants.

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This is exactly what I was thinking. I had an instance at an NHRA track last year where my car died when I got on the 2-step. The other guy was spotting me about 2/10ths. His tree dropped, and he proceeded to run under. I fired my car, took the green, and drove it down but did not complete the run (turned off just after the 1/8th mile). Time slip showed me as the winner. The track owner asked me if I planned on coming up for the next round, otherwise he was going to reinstate the other car.

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Wishful thinking in today's day-and-age!

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Maybe division director ordered a rerun as both index were displayed ?
That would make sense .

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That would be the wrong call as once you stage you own the dial in. Jim should have gotten the competition bye the second round. Agree this was a bad call on the DD. Lucky if my calculations are correct to did not effect anyone in the top 10 points.

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This has nothing to do with the topic being discussed,but if you felt that bad,why even show up? It could be a safety hazard having someone drive a race car that is sick and " just wants to get the race done" .Nobody is being forced to race if you aren't up to it.

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I was there was I started not feeling well, crap was coming out of my azz, not my mouth. Keep your wellness comments to yourself.

Casey Miles
248H E/S

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What in God's name is going on at these races.
D7 and D2 shame!
D6 is like a secret society.
I don't recall seeing this crap in D1, D3 and D4 or am I wrong?

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There were a few questionable things in D3 too,but I guess we just keep it to ourselves.

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I’m confused, what should Troy do at this point? If The Who’s who of D2 made the decision as it is now, what should be rectified? Just for future reference…thank you!

Tim Stickles

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Simple, the person making the decision should know and understand the rules in the rule book then apply them.

The DD has the power to change the outcome of a race but should they use it. It's spelled out in the race procedures. It wasn't a first or worst ruling.

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I have been burned by a wrong dial in before. After that happened I check my dial in every round before I pull in to the pre stage beam. I have had to get it corrected several times. Once you stage and the race is on you own the dial on the board. Mistakes do happen and you have to do what you need to do by making sure your dial is correct.

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Just to clarify something for everyone and clear up any misconceptions.....per the NHRA rulebook (Section 2, Page 2 under Staging in the 2022 book) a racer has accepted the dial-in when they PRE-STAGE not stage. This has apparently been the rule for years and it bit me at the Charlotte national event a few years ago when I backed out of the pre-staged beam and told them the dial-in was wrong and they wouldn't change it and they fired the tree and red lighted me.

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Thanks Jack that is how I read the rules.

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The fact that Casey was pushed off the track with track equipment would be a "disqualification" of the run per the Rule Book. Bye runs are the only allowed run where you do not have to cross the finish line under power. You can not get a "time" when being pushed

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While I get the jist of the conversation, that started on the Monday after the race, I'm confused as to what Huntzberry was supposed to do after the fact??..

If Casey had a win ticket, how does the loser of the previous round appear for the next round, unless an indication was made that Casey was broke.. that would give his next opponent a competition bye..

My confusion comes in with, did Huntzberry get reinstated??.. I'm thinking that Casey had Huntzberry, and Casey got the win slip, sending him to the next round.. OOOOORRR, did I miss something..

All that said, it appears that D2 failed, and let the race continue, SOME HOW!!

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Jamie2370,

I'm always willing to learn new things, but I can't find where it's a disqualification for a racer to be pushed off the track by NHRA.
Would you mind sharing where in the rule book you found those rules for disqualification.

Thanks in advance.

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To add to what Mr. Zimmerman knows about the dial and prestaging

After the colon the Rule Book states "No reruns will be granted due to incorrect dial-ins after prestaging"

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I was not there
But as Casey stated both cars were dialed on index
If there ever was a good reason for a rerun it’s that situation
I agree with you live with the dial I on your car
But both are dialing INDEX.
You guys are telling me your ok losing when it’s the same for both drivers?
Unfortunate for Casey braking his car.
Someone told Troy to go back up as the winner.
So figure who made the call

I believe the division director is the last word

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Huntzberry was reinstated by the DD because he said the tower made the mistake. Apparently the tower couldn't read the dial in on Huntzberry's car. Could be because there was no dial in on the tower side of the car and the person putting the dials on the board was inexperienced at the job and didn't know what else to do but use their indexes. Don't believe me? Go look at the video of the run. Casey got the win light and the win on the E.T. slip at the scales. Casey won pure and simple. The D2 DD is extremely inexperienced at his job also. Everyone in D2 knows this. Jim

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No James, the rule book and California has the last word. If this was you, YOU would be screaming bloody murder and you know it. The bottom line is the drivers bare the responsibility of checking their dial on the board. That is the rule, period. It doesn't matter who screwed up. The driver has one job before staging Neither driver did that job. The DD didn't do his job either, he didn't enforce the rules in the book! Rules are rules. That's why they charge you $10 to buy a rule book and tell you to go by them. He can not make the rules up on a whim. Jim

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No pup in this fight, just need info. What about going up staging, break the beam and getting pushed back for the win, is this still legal? Do you still have to go down weigh and fuel check. Did his opponents time slip say looser? Did his opponent go over the scale before going to his pit, this used to be a automatic DQ. Lots of questions few answers. Maybe Bobby needs to have the Div Director on Tech Tuesday pod cast .As long as the dial in is the index or below should be legal. If the other guy would have looked up at the score board and seen that his win light was not on he should have lifted, that's twice on 1 run. Most of usually get only one chance at screwing up and still winning. Its going to be a long winter.. Tom

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Yes, you must stage and take the green, which Casey did. He also went down the track and scaled. The time slip (both drivers got the same one) gave Casey the win. The video shows the win light in Casey's lane after Troy broke out. This was not a bye run just because Casey broke on the run. Troy was making a run in competition. I have no knowledge if Troy scaled after the run or not. I have to assume he did. It used to be in the old days you had to make the run under your own power, great for the spectators, watching the driver push his car down the track, but that took too much time and that was abolished and the broken car can be towed. Jim


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Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
5049 Michael Chitty 1 Jimmy Lewis
E1 0.008 6.706 206.37 ****WINNER**** 0.012 64.999 NS
TS Dial: 6.72 (+/-): -0.014 TS Dial: 6.24 (+/-): 58.759
Qualified: #21 6.729 205.60 #5 6.247 226.42

Jimmy went on to win the the event after being pushed off the track by NHRA first round in Dallas

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This is the time slip.

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I'm having a real difficult time understanding why Hutnzberry is being called out. I don't know the man, but, from what I've read here, he pled his case to the division director based on a bizarre set of circumstances and the DD made a call. Who among us wouldn't have done the same?

Is the OP that pissed off about losing to him second round?

What's Huntzberry supposed to do? Go to confession? Pay a fine? Grovel for forgiveness?

If you're going to blame someone, blame the DD. Even then, it's seems like he didn't make an egregious call. True, it may not have been the right call according to the rule book, but the situation was strange to say the least.

I don't see the point of this public shaming.

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If we are not going to go by the rules we have nothing.
Going by the rules takes the human element out of the equation. The DD shows the racer the rule and it’s over.

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I couldn't agree more. I just don't see why Huntzberry's being called out, like he's some kind of villain. I don't know him. Maybe everyone hates him. I still don't see why this is being directed at him.

The OP must have been paired with him on the ladder or at the very least in the lanes. I didn't see where he went to the DD to tell him that Huntzberry should be out and that he should be given a by. Instead, he starts a thread calling out Huntzberry. That, I don't get.

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A better title for the thread would be:

Why were the RULES not followed?

I think both racers were not paying attention to the race at hand.

The win was showed to be Miles on the computer supplied time slip. The computer does not care who wins or looses. The computer has parameters programmed into its software to determine a winner within the rules structure.

The only people I’m disappointed with are the folks that ventured out on there own disregarding the rule book!

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No, I wasn't paired with him until after the DD reinstated him wrongly. If the race had gone the way it should have, without the DD's interference, I would have had a broke bye. Troy was OUT! The DD disregarded the rule book and interjected his personal feelings into the situation. Because he did Casey and I lost points and I lost third round money. For me, it's not the money, it's the total disregard of the rules and the DD's decision to make it personal. I wasn't aware of the situation until after Huntzberry and I had already run. I was in the staging lanes paired with my first round opponent. All I knew was that Casey had broke and Huntzberry was the winner. When I found out about the situation I went to the tower and spoke with Cody Savage (the DD) and he told me he didn't care about the rule, he wanted to make it right because the girl doing the dial ins had screwed up. That's it. I protested it as soon as I found out what happened, to no avail.
What I would like is for Troy to man up and admit the rules were broken (not by him) and he should not have been in the second round. Troy no doubt knows the rule. He knows the rule was not upheld. I would like him to make a statement as to his side of the situation. He accepted the dial when he staged, he broke out on a competition run. Period. He was out. Apparently everyone there knew it but me at the time. Jim

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Yep.

Authority granted by Section 1.4 of the rulebook everyone keeps referencing here...

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Yer right. It's there in black-and-white! Like it or not.

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How I’d feel about this situation is different depending on how the ruling came about.

Did the DD recognize the error and call for a rerun due to staff error, or did one of the drivers who staged on an incorrect dial run to the tower demanding a rerun?

I don’t need to know the answer in this case.

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1.4 FINALITY OF DECISIONS BY EVENT DIRECTOR, DESIGNEES OR OTHER EVENT OFFICIALS

Last sentence in paragraph one is worth reading.

“While the decisions, actions or inactions of Event Officials are not appealable, NHRA reserves the right to reverse such decisions or review such actions or inactions on its own initiative if it determines, in its sole and absolute judgment, that such action is warranted.”

I still wonder what prompted the decision to override the timing computer and the the race procedures spelled out in the rules.

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Larry Hill, that is what I have always been told but lets be honest, how many times does this happen. AFTER the finish line it is ok, there are no infractions after the finish line. You can hit the wall, go off end of track, cross line, etc. I am sure this is at the Director's discretion.

If we look at this from another view, James Perrone is correct in that it should have been a rerun due to BOTH lanes incorrect. In that instance a rerun would declare Troy the winner as Casey was broke and could not make the call. Plain and simple.

I personally don't care who is in the other lane. I have to do my job, he or she has to do theirs.

I feel the correct call was made. With that, I do not have a dog in the fight nor do I even have a "class" car anymore. Probably never will again.