AHFS Change
 

I frequent this page often, but I do not engage on here as we all know how individuals can and do react on these sites. The majority of the time the threads go off topic rather quickly and then bickering occurs amongst people and it all goes to hell in a handbasket. I noticed there was a thread mentioning a "survey" was sent out about the AHFS sent out in the last week or so by SRAC members. I reached out to one of the SRAC members to get some substance as to what the survey was/is.

After understanding that not all SRAC members provided a survey to their ACTIVE racers, I thought I would take a the gamble and see if there could be any valuable feedback from the patrons here. NHRA is in discussion about making changes to the AHFS. The general question is, do you think the AHFS needs to work more? Meaning does it need to hit combinations of cars quicker and make parity adjustments?

In the simplest form the answers needed are:
A-leave the AHFS alone and keep doing things as we have been.
B-adjust the rules of the AHFS in an effort to more quickly fix fast combinations.

Tyler Wudarczyk

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The survey I took had four questions on it.

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What were the four Questions? Thanks
Norman Warling M/SA 5020

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1 – No mineshaft: already accepted for 2023- Do you want the mine shaft rule for 2023 Reply Yes or No

2 – Indy not exempt: Do you want the AHFS to be on or off for the 2023 US Nationals Reply Yes on or No off

3 – Change the -1.2xx immediate change to -1.4xx immediate change: Do you want the automatic Horse power to be on or off. Please reply: On or Off 1.20 or 1.30 or 1.40

4 – Change -.350 and slower not included to –.649 and slower not included in avg’s for increases. Change what counts in the AHFS averages from -.350 under to -.649 under Please reply No Change or Change

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So some got 4 question some got 2 and then there were none. Perfect!

Paul Haszlauer
7019 C/SA

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Got nothing here in D1 ...............

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Sorry all, I had the 4 that Darren added. My thought was at the very least let's see if change is even desired. If it is not, then showing the possible changes doesn't seem to be necessary.

Tyler Wudarczyk

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If the mineshaft rule remains in effect, I would like to see the automatic HP raised to 1.30.

If they do make a big change, I feel that .650 is too high. Maybe .500 is more reasonable.

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Ya know, if we had more in the way of Tech and less in the way of enhancements we wouldn't have to have a poll regarding how to "more quickly fix the fast combos".

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Turns out i've been told to remember that our SRAC guy ( Kent Hanley) came around the pits with a survey and sent out e-mails earlier this year .Sorry but I had no idea those and this round were connected since the NHRA already made new rules for next year .

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I don’t get the emails from Kent
The question asked was
Should we adjust the indexes
I said no

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Albert Einstein famously quipped… “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” just sayin’

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System needs to change. My combo 68 Nova 327/275 stick made 32 runs this year. My G average is .824 14 runs. F average .869 3 triggers 18 runs. Overall average .849 32 runs. I'll be getting 4 hp I'm sure. I'm the only one that runs this combo in a 68 Nova.
The 350/255 Camaro has 19 triggers 281 runs. .745 overall average. No HP will be added. 19 triggers many just below the 1.20 under. Mine were a few thou over the one second under. I'm just using the 350 combo as an example and its nothing against anyone who runs it. Whether it gets HP or not doesn't affect me. My point is with a heavily populated combo it can lower the average very easily. Racers like myself don't have that luxury. And I'm not the only one in this boat. 3 triggers and I get HP. 19 triggers doesn't. The 2 don't add up. Just my opinion.

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Sometimes working on your car is working on the average.

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Good example Bob
But you did it to yourself
Only guy running combo
Stop showing off in the Nhra strip club.
You’re playing with yourself. 😂

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Hey Ponko, ya jealous or something?
When you're proud of your junk ya like to hang it out!

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We received the A or B survey in division 7. It seems "B" is/was kind of a wide open change. Normally being conservative when time to vote. Some of the things in "B" I'm not a fan of. If possible I had the 4 question survey. I would go for a change or two.

Paul Haszlauer
7019 C/SA

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Bob you are so right - you are not alone - last year I tripped the trigger once - just once and because I'm alone in the class I got a gift from the NHRA - Christmas HP - the HP was bad enough but it took me out of the class and I can't get back in .All that plus it got the rest of the guys with my motor got the HP also and they didn't deserve it.All over one trigger .

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Having had a slow to the index car and one that’s kind of fast I can see both sides of this issue. I know that having the faster car is more fun. I would leave everything as it has been in the past with one exception. I think if a race is mineshaft it should not count for any horsepower adjustments. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

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I must be missing something, what survey?

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Sorry for my confusion but has anyone looked at the new nhra ahfs rules posted 9/28/22? It plainly says no mineshaft, no automatic HP, all runs count for year end average. So please chime in, the way I'm reading this is I can run as fast as I want 1.20+ under as many times as I want as long as my average is under .850 at the end of the year? Brian Seaberg

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That may not be written in stone yet....

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Three things I'm confident in:

1. Applaud NHRA for reaching out to SRAC to bring needed changes to the AHFS system rather than just doing - which they have the authority to do. It looks like changes for 2023 are attempt to do so but prob reacting now to some neg feedback.

2. Change is needed to bring those combinations (not individuals who can or cant run the number) that are way out in left field - either direction - back into line in a quicker period of time. Need to define left field and it is different for stock and ss. Shouldn't - my opinion - hurt those in the 1-1.20 range in ss and 1-1.30 range in stock - again my opinion - who do run balls to the wall. (Trivia - balls to the wall is an old rail road expression. Had mechanical governor that incorporated balls on the end of a string and centrifugal force that would limit throttle travel verses stk/ss with restrictor plates, computer programs, additional weight, claim a diff year/combo, heavy oil, stop screws, timing, shift schedules, bias tires - im sure i missed several )

3. Not everyone will be happy with anything they do and I would hope racers would support what is good for the stock and super stock community and not their individual agendas - racers and those on SRAC - and
i would hope majority and not just the squeaky wheels is considered.

Vollkman
412.651.2356

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Brian, part of NHRA's proposal was to move the automatic trigger to 1.4 under as well as no mineshaft, no exemption for Indy and runs slower than .649 under not included towards your average. There was no mention of changing the 1.00 under or the .850 average triggers. NHRA asked for SRAC input regarding the AHFS, again, but the final decisions are made by NHRA. NHRA knows the AHFS needs changes to work better but if a racer hears it might affect their combo, they scream foul. The little survey at the top of the page is interesting, does show that so far, 2/3 of the racers do support enhancing the AHFS.

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Jim, there is the one at the top of the page. There never was one sent out to all the racers.

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Hi Bob, welcome to the club. If I run my car as a 79, I think I'm it. NHRA's proposal to not count any runs under .649 towards the average may help bring some of the more heavily populated averages up.

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Jim, As Div 6 SRAC Rep, could you share with all The Div 6 Stk and SS competitor's, who was contacted for there input in this matter back earlier in the AHFS change process?
I know I was never contacted and several others are saying the same thing.
AHFS changes are very important to everyone, and I think I can say, all competitors would if liked to had input.
After re-reading NHRA 9-28- 2022 post on NHRA Racer.com , I have to say it's a done deal and the rules are changing as of Jan 1st 2023. For Better or Worse .

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620, B/SA, G/SA ,M/SA