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B Parker 12-17-2022 09:58 PM
Baby Gator's
 
I have a few friends that really want to go. So I may go after all. I plan on running A/SA. Thought I'd ask now instead of waiting for the last minute in the staging lanes. Now that your punished with HP if you want to run Stock as a Performance base Class. Anyone want to make a deal of ahead time to only run to the 1000 ft mark if we run each other in Class. BP

Cotten 12-18-2022 02:02 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
I understand and agree with the point your making.

The baby gators aren't going to be nearly as much fun.

James Perrone 12-18-2022 09:08 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Nhra new and improved finish line
1000 foot like the pros
Less parts breakage and better mileage for our race cars
It’s all about the environment … you know global warming is real BS

grncpe 12-19-2022 02:23 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
I’m putting out this public service announcement. If you plan on running D/SA or E/SA , there will be no deals. Guarantee I won’t be lifting whichever class I’m in.

KennyAnderson 12-19-2022 02:46 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
I know of one racer who made that deal last year and then didn't honor the agreement...... :eek::eek::eek:

The after race commentary was entertaining to say the least!! :D:D:D

Brian Oakes 12-21-2022 10:21 AM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
BAKER ya have to go 1 sec under first, then yea can lift,LOL and Kenny you should post that name so everyone is aware who F'ed who, then that will not happen again.

Tim Barrett 12-21-2022 12:55 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 672567)
I know of one racer who made that deal last year and then didn't honor the agreement...... :eek::eek::eek:

The after race commentary was entertaining to say the least!! :D:D:D
Hi Kenny,,hope this wasn't you and I in the G/SA final!! I'd like to make a deal now with you if you'd like??? Beer and something to eat at the end of the day!!

grncpe 12-21-2022 02:23 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Oakes (Post 672656)
BAKER ya have to go 1 sec under first, then yea can lift,LOL and Kenny you should post that name so everyone is aware who F'ed who, then that will not happen again.
Brian, I sure won’t be listening to you this year about someone being fast after last year……. If you know how to do math look at that exact pass first before you comment on how fast I can go. Or step up! 😬

Frank Castros 12-21-2022 08:43 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
The new and "enhanced" AHFS will ruin the performance aspect of what you do. You might as well be bracket racing. For what, to protect your combo's factor? Lowering the indexes in Stock Eliminator was the answer.

It's been said many times on this forum. Stock Eliminator is not for the faint at heart. Spend the money and or work your butt off or both, but mostly both.

1,000' racing to save your factor? You're cooking your own goose.

Snap out of it!

B Parker 12-21-2022 09:36 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 672688)
The new and "enhanced" AHFS will ruin the performance aspect of what you do. You might as well be bracket racing. For what, to protect your combo's factor? Lowering the indexes in Stock Eliminator was the answer.

It's been said many times on this forum. Stock Eliminator is not for the faint at heart. Spend the money and or work your butt off or both, but mostly both.

1,000' racing to save your factor? You're cooking your own goose.

Snap out of it!
Ding Ding Ding We have a winner. It won't change the spot you qualified in. Maybe it was just to simple of a solution for them to do. BP

442OLDS 12-21-2022 10:03 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 672688)
The new and "enhanced" AHFS will ruin the performance aspect of what you do. You might as well be bracket racing. For what, to protect your combo's factor? Lowering the indexes in Stock Eliminator was the answer.

It's been said many times on this forum. Stock Eliminator is not for the faint at heart. Spend the money and or work your butt off or both, but mostly both.

1,000' racing to save your factor? You're cooking your own goose.

Snap out of it!
I don't know,I kind of like the idea.
If I get a heads up,there is no way I can win.
But if I take a bunch of weight out,I might be able to get someone to trigger the 1.00 under if the air is good and they are dead late.

KennyAnderson 12-21-2022 11:36 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Barrett (Post 672666)
Hi Kenny,,hope this wasn't you and I in the G/SA final!! I'd like to make a deal now with you if you'd like??? Beer and something to eat at the end of the day!!
LOL!!! Tim no deal was necessary! I lost that race in the lanes! LOL! Was told you can't get it tooooooo cold. Wrong! :D:D:D

I would love to race you again, that was a GREAT DAY! Matter of fact I think I still owe you a cold one! See you soon my friend!

PS, My lips are sealed. I want everything is my world to remain oK.....

Bryan Worner 12-22-2022 08:54 AM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grncpe (Post 672566)
I’m putting out this public service announcement. If you plan on running D/SA or E/SA , there will be no deals. Guarantee I won’t be lifting whichever class I’m in.
Statements like this get instant hp! Trust me, I know! Oh, wait, there is no instant hp anymore!

If you keep your promise here I guarantee you will get a gift of more weight by NHRA at the end of the year!

grncpe 12-22-2022 02:17 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 672707)
Statements like this get instant hp! Trust me, I know! Oh, wait, there is no instant hp anymore!

If you keep your promise here I guarantee you will get a gift of more weight by NHRA at the end of the year!
Bryan, I’m not asking anyone else to do anything that they choose not to do.
If they want to run 1000’ to save their combo so be it. That’s their choice. I choose to run my stuff, I could care less about the eliminator, I’m there for class! Or the possibility of a heads up during eliminations. That’s why I work on my stuff. I have lost plenty of times, some by my own doing, some by being outrun. I don’t get mad, it just pushes me to do better, performance wise or driving, I own my choices. I hope you don’t take this as I’m attacking you, I’m not, just stating my position that I’m not going to make any deals.

James Perrone 12-22-2022 02:27 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grncpe (Post 672742)
Bryan, I’m not asking anyone else to do anything that they choose not to do.
If they want to run 1000’ to save their combo so be it. That’s their choice. I choose to run my stuff, I could care less about the eliminator, I’m there for class! Or the possibility of a heads up during eliminations. That’s why I work on my stuff. I have lost plenty of times, some by my own doing, some by being outrun. I don’t get mad, it just pushes me to do better, performance wise or driving, I own my choices. I hope you don’t take this as I’m attacking you, I’m not, just stating my position that I’m not going to make any deals.
Move to G/SA. I’m your huckleberry

B Parker 12-22-2022 05:05 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grncpe (Post 672742)
Bryan, I’m not asking anyone else to do anything that they choose not to do.
If they want to run 1000’ to save their combo so be it. That’s their choice. I choose to run my stuff, I could care less about the eliminator, I’m there for class! Or the possibility of a heads up during eliminations. That’s why I work on my stuff. I have lost plenty of times, some by my own doing, some by being outrun. I don’t get mad, it just pushes me to do better, performance wise or driving, I own my choices. I hope you don’t take this as I’m attacking you, I’m not, just stating my position that I’m not going to make any deals.
Tom I started this post to be sarcastic because of the recent change in the AHFS. To me the person in charge of the AHFS doesn't get a lot of us that race Stock and Super Stock. The way you say you like to race you should be pissed at the new change also. I have not looked at how fast you can go. But go on go 1 under and faster at the Baby Gators. Keep running your car that way and your going to need to spend more money and time next year just to stay even with what your car can run now with the weight you will be adding. BP.

And the racers that run your same class. That don't work on their cars to go faster nor will spend the money it may also take will have a nice big smile on their face as they get that much closer to you. And you can say Thanks AFHS.

B Parker 12-22-2022 05:29 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Someone on one of the post said they talked to the person in charge of making the change to the AHFS. That he received a bunch of phone calls about the last change and decided to change it again. What's a bunch of phone calls. Fifty ,sixty. There are a thousand plus of us that have Stock Eliminator cars. So the 350/255 Hp 1969 Chevy was mentioned as an example. Racers with that combo played the go slow to keep your average down game and didn't get HP. Good for them. I like to take a look at Indy without the AHFS in play. You don't get all of the different combo's there but you do get quite a few. Take the H/SA class. When was the last time a 255 Hp 350 has won it? That class has been dominated the last almost ten years by a 305 chevy. I don't think that combo should get HP either. Rod and Chris have spent a lot of time and money to get their car to go that fast. It's my opinion that this last change to the AHFS is a JOKE and a SLAP in the face to any of us that still care about making our cars one of the fastest in the class that they run. BP

1347 12-22-2022 07:21 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 672757)
Someone on one of the post said they talked to the person in charge of making the change to the AHFS. That he received a bunch of phone calls about the last change and decided to change it again. What's a bunch of phone calls. Fifty ,sixty. There are a thousand plus of us that have Stock Eliminator cars. So the 350/255 Hp 1969 Chevy was mentioned as an example. Racers with that combo played the go slow to keep your average down game and didn't get HP. Good for them. I like to take a look at Indy without the AHFS in play. You don't get all of the different combo's there but you do get quite a few. Take the H/SA class. When was the last time a 255 Hp 350 has won it? That class has been dominated the last almost ten years by a 305 chevy. I don't think that combo should get HP either. Rod and Chris have spent a lot of time and money to get their car to go that fast. It's my opinion that this last change to the AHFS is a JOKE and a SLAP in the face to any of us that still care about making their car one of the fastest in the class that they run. BP
Barry, maybe it's because if you look at the Nitro Joe stats for 2022. 17 350 255 cars went a second under, out of those 8 went 1.10 under, and 1 car went 1.369 under. So it was capable of hitting a trigger 17 times with different cars. even when it did at races where it counted, it had enough slower cars to keep the average down. These new rules are gonna wreak havoc on me also being there are only 2 of us in the country running my combo.
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Tim Barrett 12-22-2022 07:55 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Hi Duane,,some of Joe's data was obtained from National Opens which I think dont count for AHFS consideration. My 1.179 was purposely done under mineshaft conditions. 2023 no mineshaft so this ET will never happen again along with a class win,,unless things happen a certain way. Divisional and National wins are more important than a class win,,for us,,got one. Haven't seen Dan,Joe,Allison and many others worry about a class win as much as the real Wally's. I never would have thought how much a Divisional Wally means till we won two.

Larry Hill 12-22-2022 08:29 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
A class win is a real Wally

B Parker 12-22-2022 08:59 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 672769)
Barry, maybe it's because if you look at the Nitro Joe stats for 2022. 17 350 255 cars went a second under, out of those 8 went 1.10 under, and 1 car went 1.369 under. So it was capable of hitting a trigger 17 times with different cars. even when it did at races where it counted, it had enough slower cars to keep the average down. These new rules are gonna wreak havoc on me also being there are only 2 of us in the country running my combo.
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Duane the 1.36 under was at the Atco open. Ronnie gave it a great tune up. That may have been the best air I have been in in all the 40 plus years I have been racing. Didn't Todd go 9.40's in double A? Not everyone ran their car real hard at that race or there would have been a lot more 1.20 under runs. Looking at Joe stats don't really tell the story about how fast all the combo's are. Some will run their stuff hard while others try to protect their combo. The guy on the West Coast likes to be number one and runs the 350/255 combo. I still think Indy is a better indicator but not a perfect one. Several there try to win the eliminator and don't really care if they win class.

How far under can the other person that runs your combo go?
Would your combo been able to HP off if you requested it?
If you had someone give you 20 grand to spend on the car how much faster could you get it to go? Just curious.

B Parker 12-22-2022 09:09 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 672774)
A class win is a real Wally
Hey Larry, It used to be more important to me than it is now. I'd rather not take the HP hit. At Indy without the AHFS in play I will try hard. This year I had 2 left feet and a car that broke something on every run. It's going to be interesting trying to get into the Gator Nationals not knowing when they will open the web site. If I'm fast on the computer and able to get in I will see you at the Baby Gators. And I will not run faster than .85 under if I can help it unless they change the AHFS. Hope you and Patsy have a great Christmas. Thanks to both of you putting in the effort threw the years keeping us posted on what's happening at races we weren't able to make it to. Barry

grncpe 12-22-2022 09:23 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 672774)
A class win is a real Wally
Exactly!

1347 12-22-2022 10:37 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 672776)
Duane the 1.36 under was at the Atco open. Ronnie gave it a great tune up. That may have been the best air I have been in in all the 40 plus years I have been racing. Didn't Todd go 9.40's in double A? Not everyone ran their car real hard at that race or there would have been a lot more 1.20 under runs. Looking at Joe stats don't really tell the story about how fast all the combo's are. Some will run their stuff hard while others try to protect their combo. The guy on the West Coast likes to be number one and runs the 350/255 combo. I still think Indy is a better indicator but not a perfect one. Several there try to win the eliminator and don't really care if they win class.

How far under can the other person that runs your combo go?
Would your combo been able to HP off if you requested it?
If you had someone give you 20 grand to spend on the car how much faster could you get it to go? Just curious.
We are only .10 apart
No, Both cars with the engine combo ran the Sportsnationals and Indy.
As happy as I am with how it runs, there is definitly more to gain, 20 grand would pick me up alot, It will get there, just a little at a time, not all at once. especially with 2 kids in college and a son that races lol.

1347 12-22-2022 10:44 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Barrett (Post 672771)
Hi Duane,,slot of Joe's data was obtained from National Opens which I think dont count for AHFS consideration. My 1.179 was purposely done under mineshaft conditions. 2023 no mineshaft so this ET will never happen again along with a class win,,unless things happen a certain way. Divisional and National wins are more important than a class win,,for us,,got one. Haven't seen Dan,Joe,Allison and many others worry about a class win as much as the real Wally's. I never would have thought how much a Divisional Wally means till we won two.

Tim, I know it doesn't count, I went 1.10 under at the Dutch too, But that doesn't mean NHRA doesn't look at those numbers, they just can't use it in their rules in AHFS. Don't think they don't look at those numbers and take note.

Tim Barrett 12-23-2022 03:10 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 672774)
A class win is a real Wally
Hi Larry,, I know a class win you get a real class winner Wally,,my point for me is,,I ain't hurting my index for a class winner Wally. I have one class win from the Baby Gators and I'm very proud of it,but I've talked to many racers that would love to win a Divisional Wally and give up their class Wally's.
Some Dragracers only focus on a class win and are happy with that,,god bless them,,but we travel to much and hopefully I can save my index until my final,,heads up at a National.
And Duane Hoven,,you dont think that the folks at NHRA dont look at 660' increments.
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Hope Santa bring you lots of joy and happiness!!! And some,,,lots of beer!!

Billy Nees 12-23-2022 04:08 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Barrett (Post 672816)
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Hope Santa bring you lots of joy and happiness!!! And some,,,lots of beer!!
Tim, do you think that you could ask Santa to make mine Cuervo?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good light!

Tim Barrett 12-23-2022 04:14 PM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 672819)
Tim, do you think that you could ask Santa to make mine Cuervo?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good light!
Hi Billy,,I'm sure if you've been a good boy,,,Santa might bring you,,Cuervo,,what ever that is!!

Roy Kinslow 12-24-2022 08:58 AM
Re: Baby Gator's
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 672696)
I don't know,I kind of like the idea.
If I get a heads up,there is no way I can win.
But if I take a bunch of weight out,I might be able to get someone to trigger the 1.00 under if the air is good and they are dead late.
I have to admit I got a chuckle from this, I wonder if this has already been done by someone. There are some devious minds out there in classracer land.


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