A Instant Green for Super Stock
 

I think it would be better to have instant green for Super Stock and allow deep staging " Posting for a friend"

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I think instant green on heads up runs would be much more exciting to the fans.A car that is 3 or more tenths slower might have a chance.
I know,I know.......
Just "work"on the car.

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http://classracer.com/classforum/new...reply&p=672662

You still haven't learned! You need to "work" on Pat C!
;-)

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What’s your line of thinking here?

Today, the quicker car will often be conservative on the tree to avoid red-lighting away an easy victory, while opening the window for a slower car to sneak in.

On instant green, the quicker car is free to react instantly to the tree and won’t be in danger of fouling.

Not to mention that the quicker car is likely to react quicker, although with two cars in the same class, the difference will be almost negligible.

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Pretty sure this is how IHRA raced in the mid seventies …..

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How many people are really going to be 3 or 4 tenths late on the full tree?

My line of thinking is that IF the slower car anticipates the instant green and gets it right,they may have a "chance" to win a heads up race. Lots of no prep racing is done like that. And the slower car "sometimes" gets lucky and wins.

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5 tenths Pro Tree fro S/SS why not?

Dirk Olson
A/S

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If you allow a Delay Box!

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I could see that, but don’t agree that a system that rewards completely lucky guessing is the proper direction for the sport.

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There's a difference between instant green and a pro tree.

Al Corda

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I definitely see your point,but the success percentage would be quite low for guessing on the tree.

It's really similar to a strategy of a Hail Mary pass or pulling the goalie in hockey.

I'm not much of a soccer fan,but I did see the shootout in the last game of the World Cup.That net is so big,that the goalkeeper is basically guessing which way to jump.A random guess and blind luck.

The way it is now is that the (MUCH) slower car has basically no chance.Their only hope is to get their car fast enough to maybe trigger the other car to get horsepower for a future race.

And now,people want to take that away.

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Dirk I will tell you why not. What happens the first time the racers are staged up and are suppose to be getting a pro tree and the person in the tower forgets to turn to switch it over? Is it a re run? Or the tree is set on a .4 tree. It would never work.

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Actually, the tree parameters are defined for each individual eliminator.

Al Corda

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My way of thinking with the deep staging allowed for all. The Racers who win the most are the racers who race the most and spend the most money in expenses just to win the Championship for the purse of a measly $10,000
In my opinion, using instant green <red lights will be less and with deep staging, the slower cars can cut a better light also Spending a whole lot of money to win the championship will not be as much as it was with the old outdated way. Red Lights will be less of a factor now so the racers who don't race as much with financial restrictions or the States where there are no more race tracks can at least have a little better chance of winning a few rounds

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My way of thinking with the deep staging allowed for all.
The Racers who win the most are the racers who race the most and spend the most money in expenses just to win the Championship for the purse of a measly $10,000 In my opinion, using instant green <red lights will be less and with deep staging, the slower cars can cut a better light also Spending a whole lot of money to win the championship will not be as much as it was with the old outdated way. Red Lights will be less of a factor now so the racers who don't race as much with financial restrictions or the States where there are no more race tracks can at least have a little better chance of winning a few rounds

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I am just thinking out loud freezing here in Baltimore

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They should not forget

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I would only be in favor of the instant green in heads up runs.

If you are going to have instant green and deep staging,might as well have delay boxes permitted as said earlier and leave it the way it is now.

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How is this topic almost to 3 full pages of discussion? Oh the same way the last 3 threads have made it multiple pages…..boredom

Tim Stickles

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Complaining about “3 full pages” on the second page? Ha!

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No, no and no!
I left super gas racing to get away from delay boxes and throttle stops slowing everyone down to 9.90. Pro Tree and Instant Green would be a mess using handicap starts. At least in the .90 category the cars leave together on the tree. I hated sitting against the converter when we had a slow tree. From the drivers seat waiting for a little over a second seems like an eternity. Imagine running your A or B stock car against a 14 or 15 second car, what are you going to do sit against the converter that long or try to anticipate the difference? The fans in the stands aren’t going to like it either. I like watching the countdown from the stands it gives you the perspective of the difference between the cars, something that you will lose with a pro tree style handicap start.

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There is no yellow lights. You stage your car and the next light you see is green

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Seattle in the early eighties was .5 pro light with no deep staging but you had to roll in some.The best I could cut with a 12 second car averaged about .620. You need to have the front end tight with no lift, the car has to go straight ahead immediately. Most cars will wind up with as small a front tires as possible, 13 " is legal, they'll be there. The lightest cars will dominate some combinations will become extinct when in comes to dial in racing and forget about stick shifts, there's a reason there are virtually none in .90 classes.But for heads up runs where both cars are similiar and no dial ins it might be O.K.

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What is the opposite of a delay box, ‘cause that’s what I will need.

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Cattle prod?

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How many pages is it at? Ha!

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I remember that instant green fiasco at Seattle, having a heavy 12 second 4 speed street/strip car, I absolutely hated it, and I seem to recall they used it for only a short period of time, less than a year, I believe. I am not positive, back I think that may have been when a full tree was still using 5 amber lights on the tree. Quite a change, that I doubt anybody liked.

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What exactly is this instant green supposed to accomplish, If your blocking it's instant yellow now. Just pick a bulb and leave on it ?

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Maybe we can get the guy from Pinks all out to do arm drops for stock and super stock!

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I could see an experienced blinder driver, that is already tough, being just as tough at night now. There would be no amber light bleed over. The guys not doing this would be even further behind, ie. the learning curve to get your car moving as quick as possible. I agree, that the lighter cars will have an advantage as well.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

PS; I kinda liked the idea at first until I thought about the outcome

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I think ya'll drank too much egg nogg over the holiday. Why are you even discussing this.

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Great idea Don! It adds excitement. I'm disappointed Comp doesn't have it either. Since handicap racing is necessary to promote car counts, we must highlight headsup runs to keep the thrill alive for S/SS. 😎

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.400 Pro Tree would get my vote! It can even be handicapped for different ET cars. NMRA did this back in the 90’s

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Besides the fact that this is one of the silliest threads I've ever seen, IF
it had to be done, it would need to be a .500 Pro Tree to allow for all cars
to have a somewhat even chance.

J.R.

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ran instant green DYO a couple weeks ago , 0.400 tree here in Oz for all racing
2 things I see ,
1 it takes delay box out of the equation . We were mixed box/no box
2 lighter / faster cars have a bigger advantage . Hard to get my near 3800 lb Satellite going from 2000 when footbraking .
Pro tree DYO is a bit better with 1 warning light :)

Tex

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Deep staging is allowed

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DALE there will be less red lights ,no delay boxes will be effective plus with deep staging allowed for the slower leaving cars give me a call for the rest of the story 602284 6240

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Less red lights for certain, but a whole lot more crap lights as well. Just seems like a terrible idea to even consider. The tire companies would likely be stocking up on 22-24" tall front tires if this ever happened. Hopefuly this is just "silly season"/Christmas hang over talk.

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Lets go back to no reaction times at all!

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Guys, class racing has a TON of problems that need addressed, the tree isn't one of them.