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Do you want to go to racing at NHRA National events but just don’t have time to get those pesky NHRA Grade points every year. Or are one of those guy or gals that try’s hard every year to get 8 but can only get 6 or 7 grade points by years end, only to get locked out of races like the Gatornationals, Reading or fall Vegas 90 days before the race even starts year after year. Then boy do we have the answer for you. Myself and a few of my competitor’s that are able to obtain 8 plus grade points each year will enter select national events in the stock or superstock in the class of your choice for only a measly $500-$1500 (prices vary by demand of each event) when each event opens at a grade 8.

This program (GPA) will give you the upper hand over racers with more grade points then yourself that are trying to enter when someone drops below the quote. So give me a call and don’t worry about checking the NHRA registration web site 5-6 times a day to see if a spot open only to be disappointed. Stop looking like a clown begging people to call you if there going to drop out of the event.

We at GPA don’t discriminate if you have 1 grade point or 7 your money is good enough for us. We are just here to help you achieve your dreams of participating at the highest level of competition the NHRA national event.

We currently have 3 of our 4 SS spots filled for the Gatorsnationals filled ($1000 each). First come first serve and currently all three of our stock Gatornationals entries are spoken for ($1000 each).
Disclaimer we DO NOT PAY YOUR ENTRY FEE.

But we do have a waiting list like if you would like to be added we only required a nonrefundable $100 deposit if the spots opens, and you don’t take it. And your deposit is part of the fee so its not like were taking an extra $100. If the spot doesn’t open the $100 is refunded.
We do offer discounts if you want to joint our frequent racer entry program. If you pick a min of 3 national events per season and pay in full.

Please contact myself for more information on the GPA and good luck to all those with 7 or less grade points this season. Remember you can’t win if you home watching on the computer.

Remember don’t hate us for putting this program together, blame NHRA for not caring about a problem that has been going on for years. Were just trying to help our fellow racers in need.
(maybe Hanley and Crutchfield can fix this issue lol)

Just remember the GPA slogan
Put your money where your grade points aren't

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A couple of years ago,I had my vacation all planned for Brainerd.I thought I had enough grade points to enter,but it filled up.
It really sucked to see people get in with a few grade points,while I had 6 and couldn't find a spot.
But,there is NO WAY that I want to race NHRA that bad.I'm not paying for a spot under any circumstances.
And I can't believe NHRA allows this to go on.Creating a standby list like the airlines do shouldn't be that hard.

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There's a way for NHRA to make more money. After a race fills up, open up additional quota and list the spots for sale on Ebay. LOL

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DAMN, say it ain’t so …..

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"We currently have 3 of our 4 SS spots filled for the Gatorsnationals filled ($1000 each)."

Certainly sounds like a lot of filling. Hardly surprising considering it is the Gatorsnationals.

Why set pricing? May I suggest an online and discreet bidding system be implemented.

$1000 for a spot to race at the Gatorsnationals? Sounds like chicken feed. We'd be willing to up that ante by a significant amount to ensure ourselves of the "experience" offered at national events.

Have volume discounts been considered? What about buying entry into the same event over the course of several years? Maybe a three season package?

Let the bidding begin!

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This is a Joke right?

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Charlie Ol buddy, have you got any spots open for other sporting events or maybe concerts.
On the Gatornational spots, does it include parking on the grass or pavement.
Did you ever consider offering buy backs.
This reminds me of a Alfred E Nueman article.
If I were to get a spot, do you come by periodically to see if everything is going well.
Keep up the good work Charlie.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Rumor has it you have Taylor Swift tickets.

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John, it’s simply a case of SUPPLY and DEMAND ……….

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So my son who has 8 grade points and is Division champ should enter every event this year and then withdraw and let someone buy his entry?

BTW We would NEVER DO THAT, if we are on the pre entry sheet you will see us there unless a problem come up.

Herb Jr

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With our recent success the past few hours. We are now looking to expand our GPA team. We are now on the lookout for past stk and ss world champs preferably that are no longer racing or those racing a limited schedule. If you are a past stk or ss word champ and would like to help hold spots for grade point deprived racers, please contact me for more info.
This is a great way for retired racers to earn a little extra cash.

Side note
Do you currently have a national event entry spot your holding and are looking to sell it anonymously? Afraid of what your pers might think of you? no problem just contact us with your asking selling price and will do all the work for you. GPA charges a finder’s fee of 25% for helping sell your spot anonymously. This way other racers with less then 8 grade points won’t get mad at you.
Yea no one would ever save spots at national events wink wink.

Just remember its not your fault NHRA created this broken entry system
Put your money where your grade points aren’t

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It's was only a matter of time. Where I live in Western Canada, it costs me
an average of $3000.00 per points meet. Pretty simple, 8 x $3000.00= 24,000.00 if I want to run the big races, and if I'm really fast on the keyboard. (Questionable). So for the 3 National events that I want to attend,
1 would be a 1000.00, 2 would be 500.00, total 2000.00. go to the 4 points meets a year that I like is 12,000.00, a savings of 12,000.00 minus 2,000.00 to Charlie & Co. and I'm up 10,000.00. Use the extra races to go to our Assn. races where you actually leave with money, say 5000.00 a year, and I'm 15,000.00 better off. I better stop before I actually think I make money racing!

J.R.

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Brillant idea Charley, but how long before the NHRA puts the kibosh on this enterprise?

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Frank why would NHRA care who the 50 racers in each class are. The entry money is the same to them. As far as the NHRA bean counters see it its a non issue for them.

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Because they aren't making the money. It's no different than scalping tickets. I am gonna guess if someone from NHRA sees this post, they will be thinking about how to stop this.

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Duane, if NHRA cared about making money,…don’t you think they would expand the quotas ? NHRA does read these posts, and NHRA created this MONSTER all by themself ……that’s the great part of living in the USA, free enterprise …LOL.

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Not sure how It's the same as scalping tickets? This is more like holding a spot in line trying to get into the club.
I'm pretty sure sporting or concert tickets have some kind of face value. What is the face value of holding a entry spot?
were not selling the entry just the spot.

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Hey Charley. Did you get bought out by Ticketmaster? LOL

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If NHRA cared at all there would never be less than a 64 car quota. Takes the same time to run. Gainesville has the space period. NHRA has proven running a profitable business is not part of the model.

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Charley as I said YOUR idea is brilliant but the NHRA won't like it because it's not THEIR idea.

Kudos to you!

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What makes this situation so funny is that it should work. I we go for the three year deal , how about a diesel discount card to maybe the first fifty.

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I hate to give them ideas,but if this race and a few others are in that much demand, maybe they should raise the entry fee to $2,000.
Then,if you win,you are only out $500.

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This will never work because this site is full of folks telling us class racing is dead!

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They were eligible for use at certain, select events.

Will these cards be available for purchase once again?


Would the $2,000 entry fee then reduce the requirement that mandates a given number of points in order to compete?

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Hoping anyone at NHRA will read this and care is foolish thinking. I know I'm just a 50 year member with no winning resume. I wrote a letter last year about this subject. Pretty sure they made a paper airplane out of it. Didn't even get a "Got your concerns" in reply. Good Luck on the new instant parking catering.

Paul Haszlauer

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Hey Charley… I hope NHRA reads this and strips you of all your grade points and bans you from entering a national. You’re essentially spitting in the face of the people that drive up and down the road chasing what the sport was all about. Yea these things get done behind closed doors , friends helping friends, but this stupid idea fake or not makes us classracers look like the elitist arrogant racers most think we are .

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Bpozzi you must be a liberal
Let me see if I get this correct
Its ok if your saving spots for racers that are your friends. But if I save the same spot for someone that is paying that’s not ok.
You do realize both have the same results

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Hahahaha a liberal? Of course politics gets brought in to the conversation. Nope never have or will save a spot for someone on a national level, at some point everyone feels so entitled that they deserve to race a national instead of putting in the work for it. Going to a National event isn’t a “right”, you have to earn the privilege to be present at those races. But in typical form, guys with the most money can get it done right lmao. It’s pretty irritating when guys used to just have a buddy fill out a tech card and sit at home and get the grade points. Glad NHRA put a stop to that.

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I would hardly call driving to 8 points meets or national opens and paying $180-$200 entry at the gate and passing tech putting in the work in order to run national events. But what do I know I have only been doing this for 20 years or so.

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Charlie Bob, you're gonna need a good Business Lawyer for when NHRA "attacks" your business plan!

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I am pretty sure Charlie and Bubsky are one in the same.

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Charlie !!! Can you get Led Zeppelin Tickets ? People will pay whatever you want....

I think you're on to something here..

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This is the 2nd year in a row that stock for the Gators has filled in under 6 minutes. Why hasn’t anyone addressed the elephant in the room of how ridiculously easy it is to accumulate grade points in D2?? With the amount of divisionals and national opens offered in the southeast, everyone can easily get 12-15 gp’s in a season.

A few short years ago many guys were b!tching about how hard it was to get gp’s in d2. Now there’s more gp opportunities than any other division in the country and you wonder why a race fills so quick. This is capitalism working at its finest to fix a problem that NHRA created.

Quotas are half of what they should be, especially for a 4 day national event. That deserves a whole other thread and NHRA should do more to meet customer demands/expectations for the sportsman racer.

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Not all of D2 has easy access, down in south Florida it is a long haul just to get out of the state. I really feel for the racers out in the northwest, it's closer to Mars than a divisional. The northeast has tracks everywhere, just takes a long time to cross a street.
Every national event should cater to the area they are in. Local (statewide) racers should be able to attend national in their division, along with all the other traveling "pros". Small quote are a bad thing for racing. A qualified field is way more appropriate. That is why we have divisions.

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Charlie if you only charged past Champs that no longer race a 15% commission it would be a nice supplement to their income.

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Drew,
I think you confused D2 with the D1 schedule as you can get a total of 12 GP's in D2 but you can get a total of 18 GP's in D1 with the divisional and national opens. Have not seen the schedule yet do D2 national opens. If you look at the list of people entered for the Gators majority of them are from D1.

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This kind of thinking is the problem. "The circus is coming to town and I want to be a part of it."

Edit: the above quote is fine. The problem is "The circus is coming to town and, as a local racer, I am entitled to be a part of it."

This is a national racing points series. If you aren't out there running the races needed to compete in the series, you really don't need to be there.

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Actually you can only claim 3 national events towards the championship. Makes no sense to drive from California to Florida to race a national event. I tend to agree with the local home division guys have first crack at the national events in their home division.
I like to race at the Gators. It’s only 150 miles from my house. I do bust my a&& to get enough grade points to enter. This might be my last year trying to do it.

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That is a great point.But how is somebody supposed to make a serious run for a National Championship when they can't get in their six National events to take their best three?

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I'd argue that any serious competitor is going to use all 6 potential claims, but I'll stick with your 3 for now.

What does a serious points challenger from Divisions 1, 4, or 6 do when they do not have 3 in-division national events and the 'home division' racers are given priority at all other events?

There are no California racers currently entered in the Gators but I do appreciate a good strawman.

In reply to Daryl - unfortunately it would pretty much require a 'burn year' to acquire grade points before someone could seriously battle for a championship in most classes.

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Just out of curiosity, where and when can "car owner" grade points be used for entries?