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Billy Nees 01-19-2023 08:44 AM

'23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
SS/QA? I'm gonna have to take a look at that! How about you Yac?

Henrys Toy 01-19-2023 09:53 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 674355)
SS/QA? I'm gonna have to take a look at that! How about you Yac?

Good morning Billy,
What would fit in that class? Not that I need another project !
But it does sound interesting.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

Steve Stasko 01-19-2023 10:18 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrys Toy (Post 674360)
Good morning Billy,
What would fit in that class? Not that I need another project !
But it does sound interesting.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

I've been looking around. Appears to be a land yacht class. Most smog era Mid to full size GM's with smaller motors, for example. '77 Lesabre 301, '76 Lesabre 350, etc. Most 360's, and some 400 Chryslers will fit into it as well with a bit of weight, depending on the platform...(Wagon's, NY Brougham's).

Mark Yacavone 01-19-2023 10:56 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 674355)
SS/QA? I'm gonna have to take a look at that! How about you Yac?

Didn't see it last night. I was distracted by my blinder...


I'd say it's for the 302 FFFFords, and the like. There's a big difference between the Q/SA index and SS/PA for 2 bbl. cars.. They need more than a manifold and a roller cam.
Or, maybe Mr. Wong has gotten enough hp off for it ..???

Henrys Toy 01-19-2023 11:53 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 674368)
I've been looking around. Appears to be a land yacht class. Most smog era Mid to full size GM's with smaller motors, for example. '77 Lesabre 301, '76 Lesabre 350, etc. Most 360's, and some 400 Chryslers will fit into it as well with a bit of weight, depending on the platform...(Wagon's, NY Brougham's).

Good morning to all,
I've always liked a Station Wagon and a small engine.
I know it's not the best combo because of the frontal area and the amount of time on the track, but could be a "fun " ride.
Maybe put my son in something like that. What's the Index for that?

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

David Lee 01-19-2023 12:41 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
SS/Q 18.00 lbs/hp 12.80 12.95 8.15 8.23

is this right?

Mark Yacavone 01-19-2023 12:49 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
So what are they up to here? One can only speculate..
A need to pump up the S/S entries at Nat's? The new, friendlier NHRA?

It wasn't long ago that , in order to add another FWD class, they had to do away with one.

Remember, you'll need more "safety" in S/S ...Including full dress uniform, trans blanket? .roll bar or cage, 2 year belts , all for a high 12 index. Now, Joe Bracket Bomb doesn't need a bar until 11.49, but you will.

Billy, We better build two of them so we can race each other at Indy. Not much chance in the combo class, or qualifying, for that matter, the way I see it.
Meanwhile, let's bring in X/Stock too.

Carguy49 01-19-2023 01:01 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 674386)
Billy, We better build two of them so we can race each other at Indy.

East coast/ West coast challenge - - COOL.

Billy Nees 01-19-2023 01:46 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Mark, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ernie Neal (?) build a Caprice with a baby LT-1? That would be my guess because it MUST be an 18 lb. car.

Steve Stasko 01-19-2023 01:48 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrys Toy (Post 674377)
Good morning to all,
I've always liked a Station Wagon and a small engine.
I know it's not the best combo because of the frontal area and the amount of time on the track, but could be a "fun " ride.
Maybe put my son in something like that. What's the Index for that?

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

I would look at the '77-79 Seville, 350/180 (170 in '78-79), and the '78-79 Fleetwood Sedan, 425/180 if I wanted to build a Q car.

Edit: Billy's suggestion blows mine out of the water...

Billy Nees 01-19-2023 02:01 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Indy 2022 #1 qualifier SS Ernie Neal '96 Caprice 10.960 12.65 -1.690
I'm gonna guess this is the guy who got his new class in exchange for not being able to run GT.

Hagen Gary 01-19-2023 03:56 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 674384)
SS/Q 18.00 lbs/hp 12.80 12.95 8.15 8.23

is this right?

Where did you find this? I see the new class was created but the new index isn’t listed.

ernneal2 01-20-2023 09:18 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Yeah, I think the Caprice is probably closer to the 18lb/hp class but I'd rather not add another 200lbs to the car just to be shoved down into the new class. Honestly, we were much happier when the 265 was in the Cavalier with a stick but here we are.

My dad and I were talking and maybe QA is for the V6 Firebirds trying to run SS/PA? or for 4cyl Super Stockers if there are some in the works?

Its not like there are a lot of cars running in any of the lower SS classes anyways.

Billy Nees 01-20-2023 01:19 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 674374)
Or, maybe Mr. Wong has gotten enough hp off for it ..???

You might be on to something! Looked at the factor for the late model Firebirds in SS lately?

Jeff Stout 01-21-2023 10:29 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
My 88 Olds wagon with 307 roller would fit.

Ron Middleton 01-22-2023 10:50 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Could this be the reason?: http://classracerinfo.com/CGPage.asp...98&MAKE=Camaro

Mark Yacavone 01-23-2023 12:46 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Middleton (Post 674635)

Ron, same as the Firebirds that are already on the scene.

Dave Turner 01-23-2023 11:19 AM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Oh baby, I LOVE winter!! ;)

Billy Nees 01-25-2023 05:36 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Turner (Post 674649)
Oh baby, I LOVE winter!! ;)

I hate it! I get bored and get stupid!
Along those lines, Mark! Mark! Check THIS out!!!!

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Classi...=75283&TRANS=0

Gotta find a "benefactor" for this one!
Think about it! SS/Q, Stage it, hold it at, what, 8500 and drop the clutch and start pulling gears! And a 5 speed to boot!

Eric Merryfield 01-26-2023 02:12 PM

Re: '23 Rule Revision for SS?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 674804)
I hate it! I get bored and get stupid!
Along those lines, Mark! Mark! Check THIS out!!!!

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Classi...=75283&TRANS=0

Gotta find a "benefactor" for this one!
Think about it! SS/Q, Stage it, hold it at, what, 8500 and drop the clutch and start pulling gears! And a 5 speed to boot!

I'd run it!

Looks like the Gremlin could use a bit of help to run SS/QA..12.95 @ 3050..hp for SS is at 160....ouch with that little carter 2 barrel......I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask for some hp off the motor for SS, as it is at their discretion. Interesting moves, from them to say the least.

Eric


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