What is the NHRA official rule for Excessive Breaking?
 

What is the NHRA official rule for Excessive Breaking?

With all the talk about racers safety and blinders the past month NHRA has not been very clear on top end excessive breaking rule. Not to pile on but after the release on NHRAracer last week of two drivers receiving zero points I feel NHRA owes us racers an outline/guild line for this SAFTY issue, not just there standard BS line it’s up to the division direction.
Maybe they should have spent more time on this then then 3x5 inch blinder rule.
Questions
What qualifies for excessive breaking?
Tire smoke, car moving around out of grove at finish line, locking of tires?
Is it one warning per event or one warning per driver per race season?
Are the penalties stiffer if you are a frequent offender.
Will there be a list of people that have been warned so some racers don’t get more than one warning. I think there should be a list similar to what nhra does for comp personal index of people/ racers that have been warned. I personally would like to know if the person in the other lane is an aggressive driver. At a min just for my own racing safety.

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I agree, I watched a stocker smoke the tires at the finish line at the baby gators and I was sure there would be an excessive braking posted on NHRA racer. Nothing.

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I think most people can see what excessive braking is.

But it is like holding in the NFL.

Some refs will call it,and others don't.

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From the rulebook.

Anytime it has been
judged that excessive braking has resulted in loss of control
that results in contact with the guardwall and/or light fixtures
or crossing the center boundary lines, INCLUDING PAST THE
FINISH LINE, the contestant will be disqualified. Contact with
guardwall, barriers, or any other track fixture (rubber cones,
when used, are considered visual aids, not fixtures) is grounds

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I see a single critical word in here. ;)

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CB,
I like your commentary and questions.
Just remember, no matter how many questions are asked and how many answers are given, we are in their sandbox. And that means at anytime, the Division or Tech director can escort anyone they want from the playground.

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Has something changed recently? The excessive breaking has been in the rule book for a number of years.


Stan

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Breaking and Braking. If excessive neither is a good thing. Easy, I'm kidding!

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Just another sand box. Tom

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C’mon Charley, excessive braking…it’s the usual suspects. You talk to the majority of them on the phone every week. Occasionally the DD actually has the ballz to DQ them. A week or two passes and then they get brake happy all over again. Unlike the whiny azz, chicken chits that believe BLINDERS are the work of the devil , I don’t have a problem with anyone that HOLDS or DIALS SOFT. If that is your program then more power to you. To each their own . My only advice when you are racing me, PLEASE stay in your lane ….:)

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I think the real key word in there is "contact."

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I would assume you get one warning for the first time then the boot for the second time in the same event.That's what it looked like at No problem race a few weeks ago.

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The last I heard was when there is smoke from the front tires it's excessive braking :)

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But according to the rule (that appears very clear in the NHRA rule book) you HAVE TO come into contact with something or cross the centerline even after the finish (if it was judged as excessive braking the cause) to be disqualified...It says nothing about tire smoke, stunt driving and etc.
Im not saying the rule is right or wrong but the way it reads that unless you hit something you're good?

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Excessive braking: Smoke coming from front tires; easy to see, easy to enforce. Common sense rulemaking.Probably why it's not in rule book.

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it was IHRA but scooter once most eloquently told me "i dont care if your rings go away if i see smoke at the finish line your *** is outta here"

i most certainly understood :)


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Tires smoking is tires sliding on surface. Sliding tires are out of control. Out of control is on the edge of crashing. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. At a big bracket race at Speedworld I was race director and I expressed my feelings that making smoke your out. I told the racers it up to them how to handle it. Majority wanted to be tossed for smoke.
During elims a car made smoke and I tossed them. They came to me and wanted to show me the frozen caliper on car. Sure enough 1 was frozen and tire would not turn by hand. I reinstated them and they did replace caliper.

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Problem is whatever the rule is or will be. NHRA is to wishy washy, never consistent, like I've said before. But you all know this already . We all know what excessive braking means and is, and so does NHRA.Its just funny to me what they see and don't see depending on who you are.

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Wishy washy yes. Its a judgment call that can be pretty inconsistent.
However I hope "who you are" isn't a part of the process. I can tell you a former world champion doesn't get special handling here in D4. From what I have witnessed they are a little harder on him if anything.

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When racers choose to hold a bunch they sometimes put themselves in a tricky situation. Look at Fletcher’s Super Street runs at the Gators, he’s one of the masters.

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Let’s see how NHRA handles the Super street final since the “winner” locked em up. smoke and all.

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Thought same thing, he needed every waft of smoke for that .002 win margin

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Nothing to see here.... move along.

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I would bet nothing at all, he probably got the warning

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In football sometimes holding gets called, most of the time it doesn't.
In basketball sometimes fouls get called, sometimes they don't.

All sports have infractions that can be a gray area and calls on them are subjective or intermittently called. The call is at the DD or race directors discretion, that is really all that needs to be said. Sometimes you will get caught, most often you wont. It's part of the game guys.

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You could go through like Joey Chitwood as long as you don't make contact.
When you're holding, you're going to be dumping.
Don't know if your ticked about the safety aspect or getting dumped on.

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That’s not true. You don’t need to make contact. It’s up to the officials. Ask the Emmons

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I can't see holding as much as some drivers do. How are you gonna 'judge' a car coming by you at 70mph faster than you? There were ttons of large breakouts this weekend. I've heard some say that Mr. Multi-time Champ does it...but you ain't no Mr. Champ!

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I hope the umpire in this baseball game never gets a job where he is determining what excessive braking is.

https://youtu.be/XzlybAML_3Q

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You are right Keith, always goes back to DD discretion.
I would like to hear the conversation amongst the DD's on this subject.
A little more involved than the common blinder rule.

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Making you wonder is all part of the strategy. Or you having a great idea of how to easily defeat it, and changing your own strategy.

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Just curious, is there any ruts around the 1315' area?

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