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MR DERBY CITY 11-14-2023 10:19 PM

A Funny thing has happened to EV’s
 
People just aren’t buying them…:):)

Billy Nees 11-15-2023 08:18 AM

Re: A Funny thing has happened to EV’s
 
Mainly because what was supposed to be "environmentally friendly", economical transportation has largely turned into "toys" for the wealthy!

J.R. Haddad 11-15-2023 03:32 PM

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You know it's interesting. In my City- 1 million pop. They have shown up
very slowly, and only in the affluent areas. In the part of Canada where
we reside, winter can be vey harsh. The EV'S have not responded well
to -40 degrees. If they normally get 300 miles on a charge, they will
go down to 60-65 miles per charge. Then your stuck. But don't worry,
you will hardly feel your body after 10 minutes.

J.R.

Billy Nees 11-15-2023 05:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 688667)
In the part of Canada where
we reside, winter can be vey harsh. The EV'S have not responded well
to -40 degrees. If they normally get 300 miles on a charge, they will
go down to 60-65 miles per charge. J.R.

There's an interesting article on just that subject in this months Motor Trend!

Mike Gray 11-16-2023 12:31 AM

Re: A Funny thing has happened to EV’s
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 688667)
You know it's interesting. In my City- 1 million pop. They have shown up
very slowly, and only in the affluent areas. In the part of Canada where
we reside, winter can be vey harsh. The EV'S have not responded well
to -40 degrees. If they normally get 300 miles on a charge, they will
go down to 60-65 miles per charge. Then your stuck. But don't worry,
you will hardly feel your body after 10 minutes.

J.R.

Just light one on fire if you’re freezing, you can toast a lot of marshmallows with one.
https://youtu.be/UjbAyn0h9YE?si=S_QH4zYNsGnvP0fs

340Cuda 11-16-2023 12:47 PM

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[QUOTE=Mike Gray;688710]Just light one on fire if you’re freezing, you can toast a lot of marshmallows with one./QUOTE]

Believe it or not electric vehicles catch fire less often that gasoline powered vehicles. However it certainly appears they are very difficult to extinguish.

Also from what I see electric vehicle sales are up from last year, however supply has caught up with demand. A lot of folks who wanted electric cars have them. Instead of a long wait for say a Mustang Mach-E you can now get one off the lot.

Mike Gray 11-16-2023 01:21 PM

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[QUOTE=340Cuda;688742]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Gray (Post 688710)
Just light one on fire if you’re freezing, you can toast a lot of marshmallows with one./QUOTE]

Believe it or not electric vehicles catch fire less often that gasoline powered vehicles. However it certainly appears they are very difficult to extinguish.
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Here in SoCal they’re trying their best to catch up!

https://youtu.be/KFnWpoGRASU?si=AqSHsf2XBEbmLaIL

Superpro 11-16-2023 03:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 688667)
You know it's interesting. In my City- 1 million pop. They have shown up
very slowly, and only in the affluent areas. In the part of Canada where
we reside, winter can be vey harsh. The EV'S have not responded well
to -40 degrees. If they normally get 300 miles on a charge, they will
go down to 60-65 miles per charge. Then your stuck. But don't worry,
you will hardly feel your body after 10 minutes.

J.R.

Agreed and vouched for.....I come from the same city!

Chevy55 11-17-2023 08:27 PM

Re: A Funny thing has happened to EV’s
 
Funny thing is EV’s sales drop as gas prices drop but it's predicted that in the next decade EV’s will cause a crash in the oil market.
Fact is oil companies would have to sell gas at a loss for years to have any impact on EV sales.

SStockDart 11-18-2023 12:55 PM

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If the electrical grid is "taken out", where do you get power for heat pumps and EVs? Asking for a friend.

Jeff Niceswanger 11-18-2023 04:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 688856)
If the electrical grid is "taken out", where do you get power for heat pumps and EVs? Asking for a friend.

Gary, I was talking to a plant manager of a power plant. He told me after 5 o'clock or so, power plants.... even in the most brutal of conditions turn the wick down to about 35%
of capacity. This is when 90 % of EV owners charge their batteries (at home). So the power company's are licking their lips hoping to sell electricity during these times of calm.Its all about money, right ?

Chevy55 11-18-2023 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 688856)
If the electrical grid is "taken out", where do you get power for heat pumps and EVs? Asking for a friend.

The same way you get your gas when the electrical grid is taken out but that doesn't seem
to be as much of a problem when the electric companies are under strict government regulations.

Randy Wells 11-18-2023 11:52 PM

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Ok let's convert horse power to kilowatts, 100 HP is equal to about 75 Kilowatts, 1 million kilowatts is a giga watt, your average cole burner is in the 1 to 2 giga watt range, your average wind turbin is 2.5 mega watt. Do the math if you take all the hydrocarbon vehicles and converted them to electric our grid would crash, it will take trillions of dollars to up grade our grid and power capacity to handle it, if we can even get this new lazy generation to even build it. There is 15 drilling rigs sitting idol in the Bakken because they can't get workers. It is all a money making scam.
The US uses 1300 Gigawatts (at any given time,what the grid can handle) of power, if every one drove an electric it would take 50,000 Gigs of power at 200 million vehicles not counting farm implements a d small engines, probably more a day on the roads, with and average of 200 HP, probably more . I am sure there a lot more smarter people on here then me, do the math. We haven't figured out perpetual motion yet, it takes power to make power.
Randy Wells
I/S 5628

Jeff Niceswanger 11-19-2023 11:45 AM

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There's A LOT of this new renewable energy stuff happening in my state of OHIO. Not just cars..Earlier this year Intel agreed to build at least 2 massive "pods" to manufacture computer chips. Although it takes a two year degree to work there, the starting wage is going to be 125,000 annually. That's double what most jobs are in central Ohio currently. Biden signed and pushed for the Chips act which is an attempt to bring these chips back to the States. 7000 construction jobs with 3000 permanent ones. All the surrounding Colleges, like Ohio State, Cincinnati, Dayton ect... along with all the smaller community colleges changed up the curriculums to fast track these student's into these good paying jobs. Its scheduled to be completed in 2025 and are already pouring massive amounts of concrete.This facility will manufacture nano chips, which are the tiny tiny ones that currently are only manufactured overseas. If you race at National Trails next year, your only about 1/2 hour from this new "city" being built by Intel. New 4 lane highways, water supply's, electrical grids etc. Intel says it will be 100 % carbon neutral.
Yesterday, Amazon released that they are building solar farms to power their new service centers here in Ohio. Good Lord their HUGE.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/state-new...farms-in-ohio/

SStockDart 11-19-2023 02:55 PM

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I did not make my comment clear so I will restate it. If our country is attacked by a enemy, the enemy would not dare start a ground war. The very first thing they would do is "take out" the electrical grid. Biden wants to get rid of anything "gas" and convert to electric. The US will be in another war someday. Maybe not in my lifetime, but it will happen.

Eddies66 11-20-2023 10:07 AM

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One large mega ton nuke (Russians have 7000) with a good height of burst and every electronic component will be rendered useless by the EMP. We won't be pumping gas or generating electricity nor will there be phones or computers that are operational.

SStockDart 11-20-2023 03:31 PM

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Exactly Ed. Just my opinion. I believe it was Nikita Khrushchev that made a statement during the early 1960s. "The way to defeat the US is with patience, they will destroy themselves from within". As with Viet Nam, we could have made a parking lot out of North Viet Nam but protests and politics wanted us out of there, thus peace negotiations and no win. We were Gung ho to get into Afganistan, and another bunch of protests and politics and no winner. Plus we walked out and left billions of arms behind.
At least in the Army, we were trained to kill or be killed, destroy the enemy and obey orders, but protests and politics does not allow that.
Nikita was right, we will destroy ourselves from within and the rest of the patient world will watch.

Eddies66 11-29-2023 02:12 PM

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New Battery Crushes Tesla's Tech, Unveils A Solid-State Marvel With 300% Higher Energy Density, 15-minute Ultra-Fast Charge. QuantumScape, a Silicon Valley-based startup, is revolutionizing the EV battery market with its cutting-edge solid-state batteries.

The batteries are touted to have triple the energy density of Tesla’s lithium-ion cells, significantly faster charging times and a safer, more sustainable design.

Keith 944 11-29-2023 03:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689379)
New Battery Crushes Tesla's Tech, Unveils A Solid-State Marvel With 300% Higher Energy Density, 15-minute Ultra-Fast Charge. QuantumScape, a Silicon Valley-based startup, is revolutionizing the EV battery market with its cutting-edge solid-state batteries.

The batteries are touted to have triple the energy density of Tesla’s lithium-ion cells, significantly faster charging times and a safer, more sustainable design.

Good for them
I still don’t want one

Eddies66 11-30-2023 10:25 AM

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A little something in my backyard: Salton Sea has the potential to produce an estimated 375 million lithium batteries for electric vehicles — more than the total number of vehicles currently on U.S. roads, according to the analysis commissioned by the Department of Energy.

Keith 944 11-30-2023 01:26 PM

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I just heard a report on the world news this morning saying 80% more of electric car problems were reported then of gasoline vehicles.
And I still don’t want one

Greg Reimer 7376 11-30-2023 05:21 PM

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Eddie,do you mean that there is actually a good use for that place?

Eddies66 11-30-2023 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376 (Post 689455)
Eddie,do you mean that there is actually a good use for that place?

GM got the mineral rights, had to be good for something! And of course…JOBS!

Randy Wells 11-30-2023 10:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689461)
GM got the mineral rights, had to be good for something! And of course…JOBS!


Watching your Governor debate DeSantis, man he is a smooth lying commie joke, I would be embarrassed to call him Governor. LoL. Hannity has statistics and Newsom smiles and lies wow.

Randy Wells

Steve Grady 11-30-2023 11:05 PM

Re: A Funny thing has happened to EV’s
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689379)
New Battery Crushes Tesla's Tech, Unveils A Solid-State Marvel With 300% Higher Energy Density, 15-minute Ultra-Fast Charge. QuantumScape, a Silicon Valley-based startup, is revolutionizing the EV battery market with its cutting-edge solid-state batteries.

The batteries are touted to have triple the energy density of Tesla’s lithium-ion cells, significantly faster charging times and a safer, more sustainable design.


Where will the electricity come from to charge all those batteries? The batteries may be better but they still take the same amount of electricity to charge.

Randy Wells 11-30-2023 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Grady (Post 689478)
Where will the electricity come from to charge all those batteries? The batteries may be better but they still take the same amount of electricity to charge.

With these brain dead liberals it is coming from johnny kilowatts. It takes power to make power, wee are not at perpetual motion yet. There is a Polyethylene component in all batteries, including lithium, and Polyethylene is a hydrocarbon.

Randy

Eddies66 12-01-2023 10:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 689479)
With these brain dead liberals it is coming from johnny kilowatts. It takes power to make power, wee are not at perpetual motion yet. There is a Polyethylene component in all batteries, including lithium, and Polyethylene is a hydrocarbon.

Randy


Cars made today have Polyethylene, it is called plastic and 70% of cars are plastic. HDPE is a hydrocarbon polymer prepared from ethylene/petroleum. Of coarse you knew that because you work for the oil companies. Johnny Kilowatt is working well in California, when you were out here and traveling west out of the valley, what did you see? You saw windminds and solar farms, well that is even larger now in fact, we shut down a nuke plant and California didn't even blink from the loss. California will figure it out not some backward state in the midwest.

Eddies66 12-01-2023 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Grady (Post 689478)
Where will the electricity come from to charge all those batteries? The batteries may be better but they still take the same amount of electricity to charge.


My daughter has had a Tesla for two years and she lives in Kansas. It is an extended range model. I was a little concerned with charging costs but turned out the her monthly bill increased by $20. She charges it every night to 80%. This has convinced me to make a change to EV next time around.

Eddies66 12-01-2023 10:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 689477)
Watching your Governor debate DeSantis, man he is a smooth lying commie joke, I would be embarrassed to call him Governor. LoL. Hannity has statistics and Newsom smiles and lies wow.

Randy Wells


Yeah, Newsom runs the 5th largest economy in the world and contributes 14.7% to this countries GDP. We don't ban books or attack minority groups. We won't talk about the farming we do here as opposed to Florida, California ranks number 1. There is no other state that I would rather live in. Newsom was right, neither he or Ron will be running in 2024.

Eddies66 12-01-2023 08:47 PM

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Vogtle Unit 3 recently surpassed 100 days in service. It's the most advanced light-water reactor on the grid today and is the first new U.S. reactor to connect to the grid since 2016. Unit 4 is expected to come online in 2024! This tech has been used in Navy ship for over 70 years without incident.


Randy Wells 12-01-2023 10:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689523)
Vogtle Unit 3 recently surpassed 100 days in service. It's the most advanced light-water reactor on the grid today and is the first new U.S. reactor to connect to the grid since 2016. Unit 4 is expected to come online in 2024! This tech has been used in Navy ship for over 70 years without incident.



Yes I know some engineers that work for Bechtel, took them years to build it, but it was successful. Need to build more, as clean as wind, smaller footprint, makes way more power 2230 megawatts, would take 2000 wind turbines to make that much, , less maintenance, and they don't kill birds of prey. Eddie you should convince more of your brethren to support this.

Randy Wells

Eddies66 12-02-2023 10:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 689527)
Yes I know some engineers that work for Bechtel, took them years to build it, but it was successful. Need to build more, as clean as wind, smaller footprint, makes way more power 2230 megawatts, would take 2000 wind turbines to make that much, , less maintenance, and they don't kill birds of prey. Eddie you should convince more of your brethren to support this.

Randy Wells


In the late 1980s and early 90s, the Marines shipped all of their tactical nukes to Pantex under the SALT agreement. The weapons were disassembled and the active material was returned to the Dept of Energy. So it is not for lack of material to build these safe plants.

Tom P 12-04-2023 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 689527)
Need to build more, as clean as wind, smaller footprint, makes way more power 2230 megawatts, would take 2000 wind turbines to make that much, , less maintenance, and they don't kill birds of prey.

The solar farms do too. Birds get zapped out of the sky over them.

Eddies66 12-04-2023 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom P (Post 689647)
The solar farms do too. Birds get zapped out of the sky over them.


Solar panels do not kill birds outright. However, birds are attracted to the shininess of solar panels, which often look like moving water when flying above. Some birds mistake panels for bodies of water and try to dive into the “water,” which hurts or kills them.

Keith 944 12-04-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689651)
Solar panels do not kill birds outright. However, birds are attracted to the shininess of solar panels, which often look like moving water when flying above. Some birds mistake panels for bodies of water and try to dive into the “water,” which hurts or kills them.

Now that’s hilarious! Hope no spotted owls were hurt. Surprised some nuts haven’t protested that, where is Greta when you need her….

Rory McNeil 12-07-2023 08:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689490)
Cars made today have Polyethylene, it is called plastic and 70% of cars are plastic. HDPE is a hydrocarbon polymer prepared from ethylene/petroleum. Of coarse you knew that because you work for the oil companies. Johnny Kilowatt is working well in California, when you were out here and traveling west out of the valley, what did you see? You saw windminds and solar farms, well that is even larger now in fact, we shut down a nuke plant and California didn't even blink from the loss. California will figure it out not some backward state in the midwest.

So nice to hear that California should no longer suffer from "rolling blackouts", brownouts, or needing to tell it`s residents that they can`t charge their EVs or turn on their home Air Conditioning during hot weather.

Eddies66 12-07-2023 10:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 689823)
So nice to hear that California should no longer suffer from "rolling blackouts", brownouts, or needing to tell it`s residents that they can`t charge their EVs or turn on their home Air Conditioning during hot weather.

Starting about 15 years ago California mandated that all new homes are required to be sold with solar panels.

Keith 944 12-08-2023 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 689826)
Starting about 15 years ago California mandated that all new homes are required to be sold with solar panels.

Mandated. That’s the one word I hate the most.
I always thought this was the land of the free.

Jeff Niceswanger 12-08-2023 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith 944 (Post 689835)
Mandated. That’s the one word I hate the most.
I always thought this was the land of the free.

Our house was built in 1978. In Ohio. It was mandated to be built total electric. Our total sub division is electric.That was in just the opposite of times, as we had just came from the 73 oil embargos. 15 years ago they finally ran gas lines out here. 2 of my neighbors switched. We are thinking about putting in some type of solar panels to heat the swimming pool so we can get rid of the heat pump out there. Funny how we swing back and forth.

Eddies66 12-08-2023 01:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith 944 (Post 689835)
Mandated. That’s the one word I hate the most.
I always thought this was the land of the free.

You are free to pay or index your bill and get a credit. Choice is a wonder thing. Some people in my area pay $1200 a month in the summer months,
I would rather sent that on something else.


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