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who got my combo hit again. Two years in a row. It feels pretty awesome, especially how I worked hard all year to try and save the average and not run 1.000 under. One more hit and my combination will be illegal for stock. Good times.


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Sorry to hear that. For what it's worth, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

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Thanks, buddy

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Who was it? asking for a friend!

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I'm right there with you, other than Indy and national opens I ran about .70 under all season. We'll have to see how it goes this next year and what NHRA would do if we got hit again (FS/AAA?).

Were right up against the limit now, with 622HP we have to weight 3,591lbs, if we gain 2 more HP we'd be at 3,602lbs which would be over the chassis certified limit of 3,600lbs. They could create a FS/AAA with a weight break of 5.00-5.49 which would keep us legal in stock, at least that's what I'd hope they'd do, otherwise I'd have to move to superstock (or change my engine combination) , in which case I'd be changing a lot of things in the car.

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Yeah, it sucks. You think you're doing the right thing by you and your fellow racers, and then you realize, it's all for nothing.

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We all pick our poison.

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LOL. Buddy, you got that right

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Tony, we may all pick our poison but the poison recipe ended up changed. Long after we knew what the old recipe was. i.e. No more mine shaft races!! Runs only .65 and over count. The old recipe was bad enough. This one could be a combo killer. Gainsville will be here before you know it. If you took everyone that ran at Indy and put them into the Baby Gators with the normal air they have there. Half the field would be 1.20 under. For those that want to bring others down to their level. Sorry for you guys that don't have as much money as others that race. You knew that when you started racing. Sorry your too lazy to work on your car or just don't have the knowledge. Or that you don't really care about performance as much as others. I did it on a shoestring budget for a long time. I worked on my cars all the time, and tried things that were not expensive. It makes a big difference when you actually work on your car and try little changes during time trials. BP

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I should have just picked a soft combo. Put a junk yard motor in it and then complained it's not fair. Everybody goes faster than I do. They all must be cheating or their combo's need to get hit with HP. Poor me !! BP

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Barry Parker- most of the folks I know from the south are nice. It appears that you have gotten cranky since moving to paradise :)

BTW- I am offended! LOL

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Nah he'll be alright just hasn't been in a good traffic jam lately and needs to blow off a little steam! LMAO

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I think that any combo that gets HP should be torn down. end of story

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Since we are sharing Thank You during this Holiday season. To ALL 428 FE racers: I Do Not see any 428 FE National Event winners nor LODRS winners this season. (Correct me if I am wrong as they deserve congrats). Other than a Win, INDY Class, LODRS event Class, what is the reason to run hard, just to add weight to break more parts?
Stupid.

IMO, If you don't win, Who cares how fast you lost 1st Round.

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Those big over-inflated egos!

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Ya know at one time you would get Contingency money for winning Class at an Event. And for some of the Events it was a big deal to win Class. Now all you get is the possibility of getting HP. Seems like an equal swap off !! Hmmm, I guess we're keeping up with where this Country has gone in the last 40 years. Congrats to all that ended up getting HP. You earned it.
LOL BP

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$500 to win class at Indy and no hp hit.

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You could have lowered the average had you truly raced all year and not just 2-3 events. My car was parked since the 4 wide with only 3 races on the combo.

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Barry, I think you are just grumpy because you haven't had to shovel snow yet. lol

Merry Christmas in the south

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I agree, But why should one racer run slow to save the average and others run Hard for no other reason but ego.

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Glen that’s because B&B paid 400 to any customers that used their engines. What have you really collected ? BP

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The stats from the NHRA for my combo is posted on my very first post. Go and check it out. it's pretty awesome. And, it's definitely my fault because I only ran three races in stock.

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Please, could you do me a favor and define for me what "truly raced" means? I mean obviously, three races isn't truly racing. So, what is? Four races? Is five races "truly racing"? Is six races "truly racing"? Seven? Eight? Truly raced, that's rich. I'm not saying you're an idiot, but that is definitely an idiotic statement.


Take a look at what you did in four races, you single handedly destoyed it. And you're going to blame me. LOL.

What makes matters even worse, is I reached out to you guys last winter, when we got weight the first time. I called your dad and said, respectfully, "Brian, if you guys want to run your car fast, that's fine with me. I would never presume to tell another racer how to run their car. If you want to run fast, let me know and i'll ran fast, too. But, if you want me to run my car slow to help the average, I will. You're dad said, No, no, no we'll work together and do what we need to do so we don't get hit again. I said great, then I'll run my car slow, too.


You guys have been racing Stock forever, how do you not know that after those four races that, it wasn't looking good. By the looks of the stats, you never even tried to slow down.


You created this problem and are blaming me for not being able to fix it. So, please don't put this on me. Thanks




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$500 Barry

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Wow seems like 2010-1 again with the dragpak combo. Might I suggest that someone just put a big swinging stick in it and go and have fun with the original 600 HP rating.

Yes it requires skill to get the chassis set up just so to hook on a 9 inch tire with what is maybe 1200 hp, software tuning will help of course, and actually being able to hit a shift point, would be kind of like a mini-factory X. Fun factor though is priceless....Or just put a SS on the window and be done with it.

Barry, I think 2010 or 11 was the end of the good old class contingency days. It was a viable business plan for Ed when he had the Gremlin, enter a national event with class, win it solo, and more than pay for the entry fee, gas, etc. race the eliminator for free.

Eric

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I no longer race but did for a fairly long time and clearly remember what it was like before Indexes, AHFS and Rules Enhancements.
Today a racer can't run it out the back door with fear of the AHFS and worst of all the dreaded Averages.
There is no more Record Setting or REAL Teardowns.
As mentioned in another thread Class racing has become little more than Bracket Racing and that's a crying shame.
I have to wonder what is the motivation today to build a car that can run 1.2 under or beyond on a soft index?
Thank God for the U.S. Nationals.

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Ya know Frank, I was just talking about the old way of getting a H.P. "hit" the other day! You have to wonder which is worse, the AHFS which lets you figure out if your combo is going to get "hit" so you can try and do something about it or the old way where a Tech walks up to you and tells you that you just got a 5-10 H.P. "hit" at the beginning of the race because a Racer 1,500 miles away went fast with your combo.
I would love to hear and see how today's Racers would handle that!
As far as the 1.2 under car thing, I can't figure that out myself. I don't know why a Racer would even paint a car today. There's no sponsors and there's no purse.

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Ya know Billy I'll try to answer this one for you. It's called

PRIDE


Gosh Mark I'd wish it would snow !! BP

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Part two I was lucky or maybe not lucky enough to ever get HP the old style. Back in the dinosaur years of Stock most of us ran are cars pretty close to their ability. Holding a tenth or a little more. Thats not even close to what we have today. I do believe we need the AHFS. The easy answer is to lower the index's one or two tenths. It's only a Band-Aid and the currant AHFS would still be flawed. BP

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I think that it better fits the definition of EGO.

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To many -900 and -1.00 under runs on that list . There had to be a lot of combos that came very close to getting HP. Any run over -850 is on the radar for HP . I see one racer that run between -650 & -750 he needed to hit more races to off set the racer who is bombing the combo . Just look at some of the old Q sheets 3/4 of the field was over -850 under this year like only 15 cars ran -850 or more .

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Ken it's sad that we have to try and make more runs between -.065 and -.075 to make sure our combo's don't get hit HP. My combo like Tony's don't have a lot of others running it. I spent more time this year worrying about how fast I was going to go than ever before. Time and effort that should have been spent trying to win the race. Indy's qualifying showed how fast most can go. Almost every combo is capable of getting hit HP. All it takes is that one or two racers that don't care if their combo gets hit. Take a look at the 69 350/255 HP combo. Could you imagine if Joe and Hal keep that in their car and ran it as hard as they did with the lower HP version. There would be a lot of unhappy 350/255 owners. BP

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Tony I think the better question is why an average of .86 under warrants an 8 hp increase.

I know it went one second under twice to trigger a review but why so much of an inccrease. The current system definitely harms the slower car with the same combo.

How can a system ever work if it punishes a combo that only averages .85 under because it has two triggers and doesn't harm any combo that can average up to .999 under all year with one trigger and no increase.

NHRA needs to adopt a system that treats all combo's fairly and stop using triggers to do a review. If they want .85 under to be the norm then they should average all combo's regardless of triggers.

The instant hp of 1.30 under runs seems to be fair but the percentage of hp needs some tweeking.

We need our reps to start a thread on class racer and get some input from the racers to see if the system can be implemented with more fairness.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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The one second under run shows the potential of the combination. Owners of slower cars with the same combination do not deserve welfare. They have been shown what's possible....

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I can't necessarily disagree with that.


I think some people find that they may have gotten themselves into a deeper end of the pool. There are certain classes, and certain combinations, where you and your wallet are going to pay a higher price to compete. Since I don't play the lottery, I'll never be in the COPO/Drag Pack/Cobra Jet classes. And I'm good with that.



As Eastwood said in the movie, "A man's got to know his limitations."

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BUT, here in the 21ST century these one second under runs are being made by cars which aren't being looked at. Wouldn't it be a real injustice to the "slower cars with the same combination" if the one second under runs are being made by cars that wouldn't pass a teardown?
What ARE the odds of being torndown at a race today? Even if a car makes a one second under run?

Alan, one of my favorite quotes!

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More tech would make the AHFS more fair if it meant a level playing field...

So with the schedules and lack of inspectors, how does one implement the process?

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I jump in this subject and I know I will put more “fuel to the flames”. ( please don’t shoot the messenger here…)
But how about changing all those irritating rules with a “personal index” like the competition eliminator category.
No more sandbags, no more .85 under, no more one second under. Run at the pace than you want with the pocket that you have and please with a maximum of cars field, everywhere possible…

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I have said for years that, at the very least, any "instant HP hit" run should result in an old school national record level tear down.


One old school tech guy once told me that you'll find less than 1% as many rules infractions among the ten fastest cars at any given event than you will in the bottom ten cars. Of course, he was speaking of the guys running traditional cars, who were consistently fast over a period of years. And, as with any "rule", you will find exceptions.

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I've been told the same thing and for the longest time I believed it. I'm not so sure anymore.
Too many times I've been told "he's cheating so I'm gonna cheat too" and "you're gonna be OK as long as you don't go to Indy".
As I've said before, too many big egos.