Attention Stock/Superstock competitors..
 

If you do ONE thing this weekend , PLEASE crawl under your dash AND make sure your rod from the BRAKE pedal CAN NOT fall out while going down the track… A very talented racer took a very WILD ride in POMONA and as far as the car , ….it didn’t end well ……:):)

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Not related to this happening since I don't know what happened but in the year 2024 I have it hard to understand that any racer would take a chance to race with a set-up like that!


Of all safety rules they put on us this would be the first to do something about and check!

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Don’t be surprised, they are out there…in the other lane, sharing the track with you ….:):)

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Building a new car and just put the brake pedal and master cylinder in the car. I double checked it more than a couple times. One thing I worry about making sure that doesn't fail. Sorry to hear about the accident.




Bret Velde
2003 I/SA

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Time for a rule and a SFI brake peddle rod. LoL

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Bickel makes a brake rod assembly with a snap ring and retaining plate. Well worth the money and effort to install

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This can easily happen especially when using the Mopar style master with the pushrod that has a rubber/nylon end designed to lock in the end of the master cylinders piston. Never trust this !!! I know first hand.

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If you are in a hurry, or don't want to spend the money, we've made a similar deal by making a cup type piece the pushrod passes through, pinched under the MC flange, with a washer welded on the pushrod and captured inside the cup. I'll also typically make up a positive stop for the pedal as well.

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I made note of this "issue" and posted pictures in my build thread "Under the Index for Under a Grand".

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Let me take this a bit further and ask, how does this become an issue?

Does something get inadvertently overlooked during the build, or a repair?

When these cars were new, pedal pushrods didn't fall out.

I believe the pushrod in some cars is captured in the master cylinder by design. Some have the type that snaps in, as Hacksaw mentioned above. In the latter case, can the driver's foot catch the bottom of the pedal and pull it out?

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When these cars were new, they were not equipped with lightweight, aluminum, Mopar or aftermarket master cylinders, that lack the factory pushrod retention clip, to secure the brake pedal pushrod into the master cylinder piston.

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It happens when you use an aftermarket or mopar style master cylinder. A positive retention device such as I mentioned above is a must have Item. There should be no compromise on safety.

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That happens on GM cars when using a power brake master on a manual brake setup because the recess on the master cylinder piston is shallow on power brake setup and deep on the manual brake setup.
Some aftermarket masters come with a piston spacer to be used only with a power brake booster.

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The rubber retainers did a reasonable job of keeping the pushrod in the MC piston. It is a one time use item. Once it's jerked out of the piston, it won't work. And they can be hard to find new.

Aftermarket pushrods are not usually made with the groove for the ring either.

Most of the time, the brake light switch, and brackets, are removed on race cars. That acted as a stop for the pedal in OE systems.

A hard leaving car can cause a pedal missing a stop to swing back far enough to pull an unretained pushrod out and let it fall down.

A new to you car, a car you borrow, a car in your shop, need to be looked at.

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Here is the page of Billy’s thread with the pics. I will be swapping from the stock ‘70 Nova brakes to aftermarket with Mopar master this season, and was having trouble envisioning some of what was being described. This helps a lot.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...t=44903&page=3

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On most gm cars i found that of course the mopar master cylinder worked the best, I put an adjustable bolt thru the stop light switch bracket with a pad welded to the end that lined up up the brake pedal arm making adjusting the clearance on the rod to m/c a snap.

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This is what I'm getting at. Thanks, CMc.

I'm looking for a source for the retaining ring that you mention. I'll post my results.

I looked under the dash of my '74 Dart Sport, and I saw what you mention about the brake light switch bracket. It keeps the pedal from being pulled out of the MC.

I have an aluminum MC from Dr. Diff. It came with a new retainer ring.

When I installed the alum MC in my car (several years ago), I guess I saw that the pushrod is retained by the clip, and the brake light switch bracket. I didn't realize that when a Mopar style MC is installed in something other than a Mopar (or a Mopar without the brake light switch and bracket), it could be installed in a manner that would allow the pushrod to fall out. (Or the driver's foot could inadvertently lift the pedal out of the retaining ring if the brake light switch and bracket were removed on a Mopar.)

I hope I'm being clear. I'm not a technical writer, for sure, lol. I was in a street car years ago that lost it's single MC. The driver made a valiant effort using the E-brake and avoiding obstacles until a telephone pole ended our ride. One passenger lost an eye, one had a collapsed lung, I had a back injury that piled on to other back problems my physical working career created.

EDIT: Here's a link to Dr. Diff. They have it, and also Detroit Muscle Technologies has it. https://www.doctordiff.com/manual-br...r-grommet.html

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This might be for Mopars only, but here's a picture. The retaing ring is simply refered to as a "ring".<img src="https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/attachments/1712516049494-png.1716232911/" alt="1712516049494.png"/>

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Factory Ford manual brake vehicles used a similar retaining ring to lock the pushrod from the brake pedal, into the master cylinder piston, but every power brake master cylinder that I have seen, do not have a groove for the retaining ring to lock into.

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The cup style retainer in the link works well. On my 3rd gen F body I removed the pedal quadrant and mocked it all up on the bench. I welded in a flat piece of steel with a hole drilled in it which guides the rod and prevents it from dropping out of the Mopar MC. Also a stop to prevent the pedal from being yanked back. At one time I used a cast iron MC from a GM pickup with manual brakes and it had a pushrod that locked into the master cylinder piston.

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A bit surprised that no one has mentioned what Woodrow Josey went through at Gainesville one year.

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[QUOTE=MR DERBY CITY;695720]If you do ONE thing this weekend , PLEASE crawl under your dash AND make sure your rod from the BRAKE pedal CAN NOT fall out while going down the track…

Thank you for posting! I intended on putting this very subject on my off season check list and realize I did not.