Randy Mans DQ?
 

Anybody see that bizarre Rd. 1 match up in Stock at Phoenix, between Randy Mans and Ryan McClanahan? McClanahan redlit, then went into a high wheelstand, and drifted over to the centerline, and shut it down. Mans had a .026 RT, ran straight down the track, and ran a 10.005 on his 10.00 dial under, but the hood flew off a little before the finish line, and landed on the other side of the guardwall. Then later, NHRA "revised" the race, and gave Mans a DQ, gave him a "no time", and reinstated McClanahan. Anybody know the reason? Was it the hood coming off, that the loss of the hood made the car light on the scales, or something else, unrelated to the hood coming off? If the windshield got broken, or other damage occured from losing the hood, so he couldn`t make the next round, wouldn`t McClanahan still be out, and Mans 2nd round opponent would get a single, if Mans could not make Rd.2? Hard to tell from the video, if McClanahan actually crossed the centerline or not. Just curious NHRAs reasoning for the DQ of Mans.

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I think it was his roof that came off, not his hood.

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Since Dan started a “live from” thread and Mans was with him I’m anxious to hear the story myself. If you replay the run slowly you can see the T-Top came off the Firebird and would doubt that would have caused Mans to be light at the scales…the FS/AAA car was on one tire at one point, a wild ride.

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According to what Mike posted on Facebook they were DQed because an official didn't like the way the roof structure looked after the top came off. No specific infraction was cited and they were not light at the scale.

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It was the roof not a t top
I’m gonna guess the roof was carbon fiber plastic not steel
I know a racer who told me that these 4th generation car could be equipped with carbon fiber door fenders hoods
Because these components are factory plastic
His car was a well know car at the time and had these part
Remember nobody’s checking

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James Perrone...KNOWS!

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I would say it’s the first or worst rule.
Unrelated if there are two center lines, does touching the center line with the tire on your side count as an infraction, like basketball or does part of the tire have to be outside the first line or does the tire have to cross both lines to be an infraction?
I’m glad nobody got hurt.

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I'm shocked that the reduction of tech in stock has lead to these major rule infringements. Guess we won't see this car race for 10,000 at Indy this year. Congratulations. Replacing a steel roof with carbon fiber/plastic?
This is what Stock eliminator has become?

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Rumor on the street, only a certain group of folks can play in the sand box for the $10,000. Shake $ Bake, I might be rooting for some kind of Ford at the race.

TiPpY!!

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Carbon fiber is carbon fiber. Plastic is Plastic. These 2 materials are not the same. So what are the facts, what material was it on the car.

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This car isnt "allowed" in the 10k race per the rules stated for that race.

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The roof panels on this generation hard-top (1994-2002) Firebirds and Camaros are plastic / fiberglass from the factory and are glued on with an adhesive - they are not steel and never were - be careful with the assumptions..... They are also not easy to replace.
That can happen to anybody, can we just hope that the guy's car is ok?

I don't know if any aftermarket companies are making a repro but I do know they are not available from the factory nor have they been for a very long time. I tried finding one a few years ago and had no luck. The only option is to get one from a donor car and to get it off you have to use fishing line or piano wire, work it under the panel, and slice through the adhesive. It can't be peeled off with a putty knife.

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Angelo is correct.

Depending on the year, both the roof and sail panels are either thermoplastic or fiberglass and GM discontinued them years ago.
When you go to the wrecking yard and try to remove them, it is worse than removing a windshield and they warp or get damaged. The OEM factory pieces were also defective and would bubble due to an issue with the epoxy and materials.

The aftermarket replacements for both the roof and sail panels are either fiberglass or carbon fiber.

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Angelo, I have a brand new one in the box along with all the components to switch from T-tops to solid roof.

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Aside from the fact that this car wouldn’t be allowed in the Indy $10k race, they are planning to have this car on track next week in Vegas.

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Load it up Bernie !

PM message me with your number and I'll give you a call

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If Robin Lawrence puts his car in the street version of 2013, just a switch of intake manifold, you'll see how dangerous a Naturally aspirated Coyote engine can be.

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It's good to know NHRA Tech officials are still getting technical facts wrong. Consistency is good.

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Sounds Good, always like watching more cars with a clutch pedal. Last time I checked the stats there is quite a few in the Midwest.

Not sure I seen a carburetor from the factory in 2013...

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Thanks Angelo I thought the roofs were steel
Why the dq

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I had a windshield tech who serviced body shops remove a roof skin for me a few years ago, he had a real long blade on a small reciprocating saw and worked his way under the skin to cut the adhesive, the hatch was off the car, don't remember if the windsheild was out or not.

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During first round yesterday the roof came unglued and ripped off the top of the car. When Randy went to the scales, tech inspectors saw what they felt was unacceptable modifications to the steel roof structure underneath the roof panel. The unfortunate reality is that the tech team does not have any schematics or diagrams to see what this car has for a roof structure from the factory, or they would have seen that there was very little material removed or trimmed away in this area. The material of the roof itself was not a concern or issue, it was the perception that the roof structure had been heavily modified - which it had not.

We have provided schematics to NHRA today to show what the factory roof structure looks like and the car is already undergoing the minor modifications to meet NHRA's satisfaction. We'll take the 2lb weight addition and move on with it and be ready for next weekend's event in Las Vegas.

I appreciate Lonnie Grimm's patience and candid conversation while we worked to better understand the rationale for yesterday's decision.

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For those of you who jumped to conclusions on this incident, I think
you should fight in your proper weight class. The Mans' family is so
beyond being legal and extremely intelligent, and they bring a awful
lot to our sport. Anyone who thinks this family would intentionally cheat,
is a bored conspiracy theorist.

J.R.

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Tethers for T-tops now?

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INTEGRITY. Looks like Mike and Randy Mans are total stand up guys. A situation happened, punishment was issued and they took it in stride. They are working WITH the tech people and making a bad deal good again.

Congrats to Mike and Randy and also to Lonnie Grimm for working with racers to fix a problem. KUDOS to them ALL.

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Has someone lost a T-top?

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OMallys purple firebird had the same thing happen 15 years or so ago.

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Yes it did, it happened at Bowling Green ..FUNNY thing is there was a message written in the structure by a previous owner …strange what we remember ….:):)

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Like a Green one maybe ? lol

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More like RED …:):)

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Kinda funny the quickest guy that has been in the A/S challenge in the
last few yrs can get “PENCIL WHiPPED” out of competition sounds like the
Competition is Scared! Just my .02

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The people who want a "Carburetor" only A/S Challenge is understandable
because they think the F.I. cars have an advantage. I think they are fortunate that Randy and Mike are busy people, because if they built a combination that fit the rules, the new rule would be no competitors with
4 letter last names.

J.R.

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DAM! Throw down the gauntlet, why don't ya

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Ron
Randy's not the fastest A/S car. John Korish is.

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You are funny.
The FI cars are way lighter than the carburetor cars
Because there soft as a stick up butter that been left out to long
Open your eyes
A/S is a joke with the LS1 cars against a carb cars
Say it ain’t so. Dare you

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James, no one in their right mind would ever think, or even fathom, or even
dare, to disagree with you. I have heard far too many stories about the
"MAD HAWAIIAN". I'm allergic to cement shoes.

J.R.

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Take the LS combos out of the equation for a moment and humor me if you will. Last year at Indy, E1 of class Jim Boudreau ran 9.92 in B/SA at 3,610 lbs. The fastest A/S with the same engine combination (rated 5hp less) ran 9.821 at 3,370lbs. That's 240lbs difference and the stick combination is only .10 faster on the same track, on the same day. The answer is simple: there is plenty more potential in the big block, carbureted stick shift combinations. Regardless of other combinations in whichever class they are participating in - those cars have at least another tenth in them so don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Both answers are incorrect. Caleb McFarland is the fastest A/S car as he set the record at Indy Open running 9.67 @ 137

https://www.nhra.com/results/2020/lu...-eliminator/q2

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Wow, 6.12 @ 110. at the eighth. That's screaming for for an A Stick car.

J.R.

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1.436 @ 60'
Imagine if you could get a Stick car to 60' as well as an Automatic.