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I need to be careful what I say, but this is not good.

https://youtu.be/9dsHrSq8pso?si=lI2-oeFogVZdtZoS

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This will also lead to end of our sport. Everyone reading this can help. I know Summit is reputable. I don't know much about Speedmaster but they probably are also.
Let you voices be heard! Email both of these companies and voice your contempt for this. I don't need to know this man or his company to know he could use our help. Make sure to put the ClassRacer link in your email. Ray

info@speedmaster79.com
https://help.summitracing.com/Email-Us/

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...ad.php?t=87137

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Speedmaster and reputable do NOT belong in the same sentence.
Ray, did you even watch the entire video? This is nothing new for them.

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Ray, Speedmaster 79 are the CROOKS …just a little heads up for you …just what we should expect from the country that brought us COVID

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I know for a fact that many of both mail order companies copy something then go over seas and bring it back with their name on it. It is destroying not only our industry but also our country! I would rather support small business American Made, even if I have to pay more! At least I know I am getting a quality product!

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Isn't Speed Master an Australian company?

Stan

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Stan, don’t confuse me with the facts …. I believe the owner from Broader sp ? said China ??

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Shanghai Speedmaster Auto Parts Co., Ltd specializes in performance cooling parts. SPEEDMASTER establishes four factories in China mainland. These factories can supply all aluminum radiator, intercooler, oil cooler, silicone hose, forge aluminum fittings, etc.

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Before they renamed themself Speed Master weren't they something like Pro Comp Electronics?



Stan

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Think I read they did start in electronics. Then saw the need for performance parts..;

We started manufacturing in Sydney. We had three full manufacturing facilities and over 200 CNC machines, and we had no problem servicing the Australian demand. When we started launching in America and the demand grew in America, there was physically no way in hell that we could produce such quantities here in Australia. So we then moved to China, in 2003/2004, so we were early starters on the Chinese bandwagon. We saw the potential there, and moved ahead straight away. We work with [Chinese] factories, and our own factories over there. So we’ve been ahead of the game in Chinese manufacturing, but we’ve also been ahead of the Chinese manufacturing good versus bad. It’s not about going to China; it’s about how you go to China.

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If you look at anything Speedmaster sells, the part number starts with "PCE" - ie: Pro Comp Electronics JUNK, is now, and always has been.

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Unfortunately Phil, there are always consumers out there looking for that DEAL …….

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You get what you pay for!


OTE=MR DERBY CITY;696114]Unfortunately Phil, there are always consumers out there looking for that DEAL …….[/QUOTE]

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I think Broader only charges like $30-40 more then the socalled cheap knock off.

https://broaderperformance.com/produ...ke-valve-body/

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Just read that Summit pulled them off the shelf but as for the other Chinese crap I dont know. The Chinese valve body was $30-$40 cheaper

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How you like that $30 when it locks up in high gear and spits you into the wall at 130mph!
:eek:

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If you go and look at Speedmaster and see just how much stuff they "produce" your head will spin - not one single thing is of their own design - they even sell a belt drive for a BBF - if you see it in person, you'll never use it. :eek:

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Where did you read this at ??

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I have bought parts directly from Broader performance including his reverse valvebody kits he previosly sold and the one in the video, also his low gear set never had a problem with any of them or the price he charges. I have bought some tranny parts from speedmaster that broader doesnt have. I bought a C4 pump which are gettig hard to find good cores now days. the first one i got was missing the gear in it ha dto sen it back, i tried to get them to send me just the gears but they wouldnt. Got the next pump took it apart to inspect this one had gears. The casting case perosity was so bad that the presure side and suction side were one, would have never worked. there was so much aluminum casting that was breaking off that it did work it would not be very long. There is no customer support there just give you the run around evertime you called if someone answered the phone. the other part I bought was just as bad would not fit, couldnt even assemble it.

Any body got a good source for C4 pumps

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read it on the speedtalk forum that Summitt pulled the parts

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Don't even waste your time finding out if their illegal copy works, immediately find yourself a great copyright Attny., get them to initiate a stop and desist letter package out to everybody producing, selling, marketing that phony stolen product that illegally carries your name on it now, and save lives possibly.

Do that now please, as I could be racing in just 2 days against those knockoff product users in the next lane, that poorly copied junk could lock up, and cause my competitors car to t-bone me and kill me, and I can barely get out of my own way, never mind their way. The copied knock off will never be as good as the original engineered product, and now that you know, put a stop to it as you can easily, a lot easier since they put your name on it.

I cannot use your product in my class, but willing to donate to help the legal battle to help stop others from buying, selling the phony products since I don't ever want to be the victim in the other lane. Get that attorney going on the case first, stop the phony products sale now!

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That is what I am talking about, stop the sales first, then the marketing, then go after those putting your name on their stolen design, that stops the knock offs being used.

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I am guilty of buying Speedmaster parts. Just this PPP Shifter look a like. It wasn't really that much cheaper and I did not do it because I was getting a deal. I had sent PPP emails and called them and couldn't get anyone to pick up a phone or reply and I was set on getting their shifter so I got a Speedmaster knockoff from Summit or Jegs but I did get a genuine Broader Valvebody kit for my C4 and it was worth it.... A beautiful piece.

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I’ve seen the offshore small block head on the dyno with numbers down 50 compared to Brodix..did not respond to basic tune…
We are doing a bbc offshore head now for a boat motor., I’ll report numbers when done.

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I don't know if "quarity" has improved but one fella I know bought some cheapie heads when those first came available. After just a few miles of running the valve seats were badly sunk. Heat treat? What's that?

But then those were not lettered with some reputable companies name. Be nice to have some lawyer take this on without cost to Jay and get a windfall reward to split with him.

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Just read on Facebook the Summit response on the speedmaster valve bodies, they are going to destroy the valve bodies in stock, and contact those who bought them to resolve the copyright infringement

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Summit is going above and beyond then and doing the right thing, I hope they do not take a bath on losses, but when you are a big part of the supply chain like they are, questions need to be asked and answered before stocking the parts. But I applaud them for taking action. The racers, and the original designer, engineer, supplier, and end user (along with Summit), suffers from the theft of not only the intellectual property, but possibly some innocent drivers in the other lane if they do not work the same, and the worst happens.

Kudos to Summit Racing!

Summit is going above and beyond a

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It'll take about 2 minutes to remove the insignia from the CAD program. I suspect that they'll do exactly that and continue to manufacture the valve body.

How many countless goods do we see on a day to day basis produced in China from near-slave labor and stolen intellectual property?

Without massive tariff's and a serious crackdown on patent/trademark/copyright infringement--which won't happen--the only solution is for people to stop buying all of this junk.

Please forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

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I agree with not holding our breath waiting for a solution, but with such a
flagrant theft of property that is not theirs, and only their lack of understanding that the company name wasn't required to make it work, or a really stupid thief, their company name should not be allowed to import. Basically put them on a no fly list for parts( or ship). Can they just change
their name, sure, but put the principals names on it too, and no company
that they are involved in can import. There would be not a lot of problem
to get around any of this, but if they had to repackage, change company
names. re-incorporate, etc, it will slow them down. and if they are small, maybe it tips them over. I'd rather aggravate the crap out of them, then just let them off the hook. Press charges, let Homeland Security handle it, they would stop any further shipments. J.R.

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Summit has always been real above board and straight up with me on everything I have bought from them for the last 25 or so years. It's good to have reputable persons like that on our side. I'll go there first with all my future parts purchases.

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Just went to the Summit/Atech sites to nose around. Appears to have been scrubbed of anything Speedmaster or PCE related. Same Jegs. Kudos to them if true.

I guess the guys who like that stuff will have to go to Amazon and eBay for their crap.

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Summit has lawyers, their lawyers told them what to do and they did it. They want to stay out of the storm. They are not innocent, they sell tons of copies under their brand they are just smart enough to make sure the original name isn't engraved on it.

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Both Summit and Jeg's have pulled the entire Speedmaster79 lineup from their sales. Basically terminated their sales. Well done people.

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Regarding one speedmaster product.. A customer brought over an LS block for me to hone. He also brought his new speedmaster head studs to use with my deck plate. I was absolutely stunned at the low quality of those studs. No efffing way they were anywhere near 190,000 psi or the properly hardened material. The torque response felt odd, quite 'spongy' and sure enough when I removed the deck plate and the studs over half of them had started rolling the threads and almost all the nuts could not be spun off by hand after loosening, had to run them off with a socket the rest of the way. And all of the black oxide was gone in the thread area. Total and complete junk.

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In my job, I live in the world of counterfeit oversight and surveillance every day for aerospace and aviation products. My employer has the contract to supply all fasteners and hardware to all the US branches of the military and also NATO countries for the next 10 years. As the Director of Quality and Engineering, my technical staff and quality inspectors have to inspect bolts, rivets, washers, fittings, and more, that are used on aircraft, weapon systems, ships, submarines, ground vehicles, and more. Yes, we do find companies trying to pass non-conforming and counterfeit products all the time into the supply chain and it gets reported to the government immediately. However, it can take years for the government to charge and prosecute the bad actors.

If suppliers try to pass counterfeit products in the aerospace and aviation industry, passing counterfeit products in the automotive and consumer products world is easier for them because the industry oversight is lax, or in many cases, it does not exist. There are written laws for US Customs to deter these shipments at the port of entry. However, it is not enforced.

Myself, I will not buy any automotive parts through Amazon. In the past when I did, I received counterfeit NGK spark plugs and O2 sensors. I am even concerned about some of the big chain auto parts stores! I purchased an AC Delco oil filter that the threads looked like they had been filed and it was the same with the other AC Delco oil filters. So went to the local NAPA store and purchased a WIX XP. Purchased a set of NGK high-end plugs through RockAuto which were shipped from a local parts store. Put them on my Chevy 8.1L dually truck and it had a misfire days later. Went to the dealership and paid 3 times the price, put in a set of OEM plugs, and problem solved.

My lesson learned is that for my daily drivers, parts are from the local NAPA store that is run by real car guys and the dealership.

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Pretty scary Kevin, just think….the majority of our meds are manufactured in China also …..due to AMERICAN GREED……:):)

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I had the same issue with a 440 Chrysler main girdle kit I bought for a street motor. The girdle itself was fine, but the main studs did exactly what you described. Some of the nuts were so tight on the studs that backing them off with a socket just turned the entire stud out. The company that sold this kit stated the studs were made for them by a leading US manufacturer who's stuff is used in probably every engine raced on this forum.

I would have never found the problem had I just assembled the motor off the machinist's clearances after the line hone. I found tolerances varying +/- .005 on every main cap when I mic'd them. I replaced the studs with known ARP pieces and had the exact same, and correct clearance down every main. I'm sure the machinist had these pieces in and out of the block to have correctly performed the line hone, but they were only seemingly good for one use.

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Not sure of the origin of the studs you describe, but a while back I ran across something that made things a lot clearer.

There is actually a single word in Chinese which translates to "good enough" and is considered a wise business practice. It's profitable to change dimensions, processing, and manufacturing to get something that sort of works - at least long enough that people who aren't paying attention don't notice.

Again, in another field I've found that there are some machine shops there that turn out very good items - but of course they are more expensive. Sadly, it looks like the current state of racing doesn't choose to do that.

And yes, I am a strong believer in buying American and avoid buying anything from there when I can. But as their lower prices have gained them market share, it's getting really hard to do so.

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I see a rebranding coming soon....again....