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NHRA announced today that we will now be able to bet on the Mission Food Series Races. While we all heard and knew this was coming, I was hoping, maybe dreaming, that the Lucas Oil Series would be included. I know the variables in our style of racing would be extremely hard for the sports books to keep up with, I thought that might put the odds in our favor, at least temporarily. Then the lightning bolt struck. We're NHRA Sportsman racers and we don't have any money left to gamble after a weekend of chasing grade points or running National Events. ( Not that we didn't have fun, we did.

J.R.

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Wonder what’s next for the NHRA carnival show?

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Surely the additional revenue this brings will be reinvested in race purses, reducing entry costs, and improving the fan experience, right?

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I'm betting on myself and I'm taking the under lol

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Smoking doobies while racing?

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I know some that do lol. Went racing last weekend and another racer pulled up in my pit to look at my stocker smoking a joint. I politely asked him to leave and come back later.

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NHRA has been on a slippery slope for some time. Scheduling races on Easter and Mother’s Day just another data point on that slope. It bothers me when people don’t remove their hats when the National Anthem is played. When they stop playing it I’m done.

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NHRA does such a poor job with their social networking and the on line information. I can only imagine how bad this will be. I am
Not a gambler or a gamer so it won’t effect me at all.

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Nick's got jokes lol

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Probably just more clowns running it :rolleyes:

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sure, sure

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The National Hot Rod Association is misguided to say the least.

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As soon as there is legal gambling there is corruption, time to get out.. And I thought Junior Dragsters were bad enough, pfff. This brings a whole new CLOWN SHOW to light.

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Wally Parks and the other founding fathers are probably saying what are they doing to a great thing.

N.H.R.A. - - the downward spiral is gaining speed.

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Wait, wait what? Bet on as in gamble on, not just allow odds makers/ sports books as sponsors of race cars?

I can just imagine the trouble that could eventually cause (when just 1 sponsored team or even team member decides to take a bite out of both apples, and grab the money on both ends...talk about corruption, and gets caught doing so running for/taking money from a major corporate sponsor and bets against their own operation (having your cake and eating it too...win/win from a win or loss), there would be a mass exodus of sponsors heading for the get us the hell out of here door!

Somebody just is not thinking too far ahead of all the bad things that could cause for sure.

Then again, if that happens then at least for a while, Class Racing Could become the show if we are not included. At least until they reform the Pro Ranks after the worst happens.

Who am I kidding, they did not change a major rule package (namely "Race Proceedures" for 15 years so far after adding the "Sure Start System"), so reforming the new "Yeah Let's All Gamble" on the Pro Ranks Together" rule will never be overturned.

This change reminds me of the recent downing of Red Lobster after they just auctioned off all the goods/equipment/and fixtures in almost all of the locations across the country after closing them all unannounced.

And all because of some wild All You Can Eat Shrimp Deal was put into place to fill up the seats of their locations. It did, with a ton of hungry all you can eat kind of people, and they ate, and ate, and ate, and before they knew it, the deal ate them right out of business. And it happened before the bean counters even noticed it was happening, then they saw the bottom line was a huge bigly Red Number with a gigantic minus sign in front of it.

Just proves there can be too much of a good thing. On the other hand, who would bet on any car running a Top Fuel engine. Sure over the long haul (if driven by a Force, Kalitta, etc., but on any given pass or single race day? (Horses don't have anywhere near as many working parts, and they do not eat explosive fuel while they are running). Show me the racing form bloodline of that Top Fuel Funny Car please.

I know, I know Chad Langdon will probably argue, and very successfully, with me on that last example...lmao

You raised a fine boy old man, and the talent transferred via the bloodline and genetics and then some. But, Nature/Nurture is still an arguable point, when looking at ultimate causation.

No matter what, IMHO, NHRA is taking a huge gamble. I hope they win, or our sport may be a gonner.

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I would argue the variables in our ranks are a lot less than in the Top Fuel ranks, as I have over thousands of dialed in passes in my lifetime never dropped a cylinder on a pass, or gone into tire shake on the leave (ok, I have been lucky, and all except that one recent idiotic idea of adding slime to my slicks to seal up a slow leak), but that wasn't done during competition. And we have shoe polish to correct even the smallest of errors or track/air differences unless it is heads up in class.even the Sportsman lights are easier to react to and predict or sharpen up to. There are not 10-20 people working on my car to have at least 1 have a bad day rebuilding it between each run down the track. Just changing a cyl sleeve or 2, is tantamount to taking each of us out and doing a heart valve replacement or bypass in between rounds. Lol.

The fuelers variables are tremendous in comparison I could easily argue. We would as a group be the better bet, but, I am glad we are not going to be.

A field of 16 fuel cars, vs 109 Stockers, the odds are a lot better picking a 16-1 shot, than a 109-1 shot, but our paying odds would be nicer bank. And just as predictable.

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I don't plan on venturing any wagers, but personally, I think this is great. More revenue for the sanctioning body we enjoy participating with, more eyes and interest from outside drag racing's normal reach, and more ways for me to enjoy national events. I think it's a win all around.

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I can't wait, when does the trickle start? LOL

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I seriously doubt that we will see anything other than a continued place to showcase drag racing.

It amazes me that so many on here act like the NHRA lives in a bubble. The economy has the same impact on them as it does us. This whole them-vs-us is dumb.

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I place my bets trackside or in the stands
Straight ca$h homie

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I agree 100%!!!
I’m so tired of the constant nhra bashing on here, particularly when so much of it is from non racers.

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I don't understand the big shock value, this is nothing new. There was a website a few years back that allowed you to place bets on the Pro categories. I can't remember the name of the website at the moment, but could probably dig up the emails if someone really wanted to know. I'm thinking circa 2018-2019.

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Winlightbets is already one way to bet on dragracing. Seems to be doing well.

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So when the countdown starts getting to the end and there are
TEAM RULES are in effect
Will the gambling site pay me for betting for pre determined win?
I like to win$$$$

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Welcome to Pandora's Box!

SECTION 1: ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES AND APPEALS, 1.3.1.2
GAMBLING POLICY (Page 4) (05/22/2024)
National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) is committed to maintaining the integrity of
its brand, racers, teams, and other stakeholders in drag racing. Gambling
involving the NHRA presents integrity risks and can undermine the confidence
and trust fans and the public have in NHRA and drag racing. This policy is
intended to mitigate those risks and to safeguard our sport against potential
threats from legal and illegal gambling.
1. WHO DOES THIS POLICY APPLY TO? This policy applies to all (a)
NHRA employees, officers, and directors, (b) “participants” and “owner
groups” as those terms are defined in the NHRA Rulebook, and (c)
holders of certain credentials and passes, as determined by NHRA.
“Participants” include team owners, drivers, crewpersons, and any person
or entity that has any ownership interest in a race team, vehicle, or
otherwise. For purposes of this policy, the persons described in (a), (b),
and (c) are hereafter collectively referred to as “Covered Stakeholders.”
NHRA reserves the right to pursue legal or disciplinary action under this
policy based on gambling conduct against any person or entity, even if
such person or entity is not defined above as a “Covered Stakeholder.”
2. WHAT CONSTITUTES “GAMBLING”? For purposes of this policy,
“gambling” means the wagering of money or other things of value, on an
event with an uncertain outcome with the intent of winning additional
money or thing of value. Among other things, gambling includes:
a. commercial gambling (whether for profit, charity, or anything else)
that involves third parties (e.g., bookies, casinos, dealers, “the
house”);
b. wagering on sporting events or other athletic competitions, including
placing wagers online, at sportsbooks, and similar establishments;
c. private wagers between family, friends, and others; and
d. wagers made in person, remotely (via telephone or the internet), or
through a third-party “surrogate.”
3. PROHIBITED GAMBLING.
a. Gambling on NHRA. Covered Stakeholders are prohibited from
gambling on (i) any NHRA race, run, series, or event, including the
Mission Foods Drag Racing Series, the Lucas Oil Drag Racing
Series, and the Pro Mod Drag Racing Series, and (ii) anything NHRA
determines could represent the potential for a conflict of interest,
unsportsmanlike conduct, or other action(s) detrimental to drag racing
or NHRA. There are no exceptions to this rule, even in circumstances
in which the race, run, series, or event is conducted in a location
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where gambling is legal or in which the Covered Stakeholder is not
participating.
This rule prohibits gambling, either directly or indirectly, on the
outcome, statistics, time, actions, or any other aspect of, or
occurrence in, NHRA races, runs, series, or events or NHRA drag
racing, including elapsed time, qualifying time and/or position, head-
to-head results, event winner, series winner, lane choice, racer
lineup, disciplinary matters (e.g., red lights, disqualifications), and
weather delays.
b. Illegal Gambling. Covered Stakeholders are prohibited from
participating in or facilitating any form of illegal gambling, whether on
NHRA, sports, or otherwise. For example, Covered Stakeholders
may not gamble with offshore betting operators (e.g., Bovada), in
jurisdictions in which gambling is not legal, or with betting operators
that are not licensed or regulated in the applicable jurisdiction.
4. PERMISSIBLE GAMBLING. Not all gambling is prohibited by this
policy. Covered Stakeholders may gamble in places where it is legal,
so long as such gambling is not otherwise prohibited by this policy. For
example, Covered Stakeholders may engage in traditional casino
gambling (e.g., blackjack, slot machines, poker, craps, roulette) and
gamble on non-NHRA sporting events.
5. FANTASY LEAGUES. Fantasy leagues are contests in which players
assemble fictional teams of real world competitors (e.g., racers,
athletes, etc.) from professional sports with the winners determined by
reference to the statistics of those real world competitors. Some
fantasy contests last an entire season (i.e., “commissioner-style
fantasy leagues”), while others are as short as a day (i.e., “daily
fantasy leagues”). Some fantasy leagues offer cash or other prizes,
and some require an entry fee to participate.
Participation by Covered Stakeholders in NHRA fantasy leagues that
award cash prizes or other things of value could create an actual or
perceived conflict of interest. Covered Stakeholders may also be
perceived to have an unfair advantage due to their preferential access
to information in certain instances. As a result, Covered Stakeholders
are prohibited from participating in NHRA fantasy leagues that offer
cash or other prizes, except such leagues that (a) do not award cash
prizes or other things of value, or (b) award cash prizes or things of
value valued at $500 or less. Covered Stakeholders are permitted to
participate in fantasy leagues that involve non-NHRA sports (including
leagues with prizes), so long as those fantasy leagues are legal where
they are offered.

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6. FIXING AND MANIPULATION. Covered Stakeholders must always
give their best effort in connection with any NHRA race, run, series,
or event. Failing to give best effort, or soliciting, encouraging, or
inducing anyone to not give best effort for any purpose (whether or
not gambling- related) is prohibited.
Covered Stakeholders may not (a) throw or fix any NHRA race, run,
series, or event, (b) influence the outcome or statistics of any NHRA
race, run, series, or event, (c) manipulate or attempt to manipulate
any aspect of any NHRA race, run, series, or event, or (d)
intentionally act or fail to act to cause the outcome or any aspect of
an NHRA race, run, series, or event to be determined by any factor
other than its merits. An effort to do any of the foregoing does not
need to be successful to violate this policy.
7. INSIDE INFORMATION AND TIPPING. Covered Stakeholders may
possess access to confidential, non-public, or proprietary information
(“Confidential Information”) that would be of interest to people
engaged in or associated with gambling. Accordingly, Covered
Stakeholders are prohibited from using, disclosing, or providing
access to any Confidential Information regarding or related to any
NHRA race, run, series, or event to anyone that is not a Covered
Stakeholder, including information concerning (a) a participant’s
vehicle or its parts, (b) a participant’s health, or (c) a participant’s
disciplinary status.
8. OWNERSHIP AND EMPLOYMENT INTERESTS. Covered
Stakeholders may not work for or operate, directly or indirectly,
individually or through a business entity, any gambling entity
(including any casino, sportsbook, or other establishment or business
that offers gambling). Additionally, Covered Stakeholders may not
own any interest in a gambling entity except for an interest in a
publicly traded company that offers legal gambling, so long as the
ownership stake is a de minimis percentage of the company’s shares
outstanding.
9. PROMOTIONS; ASSOCIATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.
a. Covered Stakeholders may not promote, market, or associate
with any gambling enterprise, brand, or gambling activity that is
not in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations
relating to gambling within the United States.
b. Covered Stakeholders may not maintain relations with any
person generally known to be (a) engaged in operating an illegal
gambling business, (b) problem gamblers in a manner that
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discredits the reputation of the NHRA or drag racing; or (c)
engaged in any other gambling-related activities that are
prejudicial or detrimental to the NHRA or drag racing, regardless
of whether an NHRA race, run, series, or event is involved.
10. REPORTING OBLIGATION. Covered Stakeholders have an
affirmative obligation to report violations or potential violations of this
policy, including improper approaches or solicitations by others. If (a)
a Covered Stakeholder has a good faith reason to believe that
another Covered Stakeholder has violated or attempted to violate this
policy, or (b) someone asks a Covered Stakeholder to engage in
conduct that would violate this policy, then the Covered Stakeholder
must immediately report this information to Gambling@NHRA.com.
Failure to report in accordance with the foregoing may result in
disciplinary action. Retaliation against any individual who, in good
faith, reports a violation of this policy is prohibited, even if an
investigation finds that a violation did not occur.
11. DUTY TO COOPERATE. Covered Stakeholders are required to
cooperate fully with any investigation concerning this policy, including
producing relevant information, participating in interviews, and
attending related proceedings. Covered Stakeholders are prohibited
from soliciting or inducing others not to cooperate.
12. VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES. Apparent or alleged violations of
this policy by Covered Stakeholders will be decided by the President
of NHRA or his designee on a case-by-case basis. Violations of this
policy will subject the involved Covered Stakeholder(s) to appropriate
disciplinary action determined by the President of NHRA. Disciplinary
action may include severe penalties up to and including fines,
suspensions, termination of employment, and/or banishment from
NHRA for life. Violating this policy may also subject the offending
Covered Stakeholder(s) to penalties under civil or criminal law.
13. EDUCATION REQUIRED. Covered Stakeholders are required to
complete the NHRA-mandated e-learning tutorial upon the launch of
NHRA’s sports gambling initiative. Thereafter, Covered Stakeholders
will be required to complete the training prior to the start of each
NHRA season or when NHRA provides an updated tutorial with new
policy guidance, prior to receiving an approved license. Proof of
completion will automatically be provided to NHRA when a Covered
Stakeholder has completed the tutorial.
14. ASSISTANCE AND RESOURCES. If you or someone you know has
a gambling problem, toll- free and confidential help is available 24
hours a day, 7 days a week through the National Council on Problem
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Gambling. Call (800) GAMBLER, text 800GAM, or go to
www.1800gamblerchat.org

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So now we will have to complete their "training course" to ensure that nobody will ever cheat or fix a race?

Couldn't we just swear on a stack of bibles?

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Does anyone have a link to the training course materials? 13. Should have ended the same way 14. Did, with a link to the Required Education website, along w/ phone #'s etc. to get instant answers to questions or help.

I understand we are (many of us hete on CR at least though not all), are stakeholders, but I have a ton of questions as to #7. And would say Build threads here (and materials posted therein violate 7., and the posting of certain possible health info also violate 7......? Oy, this could certainly get pretty complicated and pretty much make forums like CR a ghost town for fear of violating certain policies contained and listed within 7.

While reading those 2 posts above, I certainly recognize that I am a stakeholder, and that I therefore cannot gamble on anything NHRA Race related, but did not understand who can be gambled on by others not Stakeholders, so really do not fully understand who is or is not covered under the umbrella of "will be gambled on" in the final result...Just the Pro's or everyone racing in NHRA?

NHRA racing just got a lot more complicated. Or did it? I don't yet even know. Lots of questions and very few answers.

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I can't wait to see how the NHRA is going to enforce #6 - fixing and manipulating - when the countdown is in full force.

There's a large group that I don't need to name that has been doing that for years with nothing (that I have ever heard of) being done.

Uh, dunno, I missed the light. Ya know, that might have been the wrong setting for the clutch/line chip....

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For anyone following how other sports are doing on this front there are many participants and officials being disciplined for improper manipulation of results. I?m still maintaining that this is a very slippery slope for NHRA.

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Honestly, I think it was only a matter of time before they moved into the gambling space. Every sport is tapping into that to boost revenue and fan engagement. But like others have said, I can?t imagine this helping the Sportsman side unless they seriously reinvest a chunk of the profit. Still, it might be fun for fans to throw a few bucks on pro categories just to add a little extra excitement. For me, I’ve mostly messed around with smaller bets on F1 races and football matches, but lately I’ve been reading up on holland casinos and what betting options are available here. Interesting stuff if you know where to look.

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I’m mostly on the fence about sports betting, but when big series like the NHRA start allowing it, I get a bit more interested as just a fan on the sidelines. Personally, I haven’t put much money on racing, but I have friends who do small casual bets just to make the races a little more exciting to watch, not expecting any big wins. It’s always about the fun, not really for profit, since most of us just gamble a few bucks here and there.

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The few times my wife came to the races she would always find the spot in the grandstand and start betting on cars with the guys and always seemed to do well. Cash on 1099

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As a Christian, I don't bet, period. So for me, this is like bringing out a rule that you can't snort coke before running. Has zero influence on me.
That said, if it ever comes to the sportsman classes I will be concerned. Not that I am a hitter or even a threat on the track, I don't like carve outs or loopholes that CAN be exploited since some people will ALWAYS exploit stuff for their own personal gain. (I know, everyone else, but not me, right?)

I'm just sitting back and watching how this plays out, thinking it won't be good as it never is when you include an addictive pastime with another addictive pastime, lol!

I just want to race, leave the circus at the fairgrounds, not the track.