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Chuck Weissberg 10-31-2024 10:38 AM

FWD stockers
 
I have been away for quite a while... I am wondering how/why NHRA has killed off the fwd class? I have not seen too many fwd stockers in competition, or did I miss something?

greatinspirational 10-31-2024 12:18 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
I have a nice CF/S Olds that I love and is alot of fun but we spent this season running our I/SA Nova. I?m getting rid of the Olds because I don?t have the means to pull 2 cars plus I have another Nova stocker as well waiting. Its a neat car though and I really like it. Just cant seem to get it out to race it anymore at this point

jmcarter 10-31-2024 12:40 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Think the weight breaks are part of it but I?ll defer to Mark and Billy?.if you?re even halfway interested in one buy Mark?s Escort!

Chuck Weissberg 10-31-2024 01:32 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Thanks. I kinda remember having a few in fwd classes back in the early 90's I had a df/sa 87 dodge Daytona 2.2 turbo, I wasn't very good but had fun. With the shutdown of Englishtown and Atco there is quite a run to the closest track now

Billy Nees 11-01-2024 08:09 AM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Weissberg (Post 704858)
I have been away for quite a while... I am wondering how/why NHRA has killed off the fwd class? I have not seen too many fwd stockers in competition, or did I miss something?

I wouldn't say that they've "killed them off" but they certainly haven't catered to them.
Because of the class structure most FWD combos are single-class cars (a combo that can only run/fit in one class) which isn't a good thing.
The Manufacturers haven't exactly been very interested in supplying the specs on their FWD combos. I think that the newest FWD FFFord in the guide is a 1993.
"Hard Core" parts aren't readily available. BUT, a good "scrounge" (Yac) could put together a fast car using stock parts if he did his homework.
FWD combos can generally be assembled on a much tighter budget than a RWD combo and the indexes are soft. BUT, entry fees, traveling expenses, etc, stay the same so even though you could build a Stocker on a budget, it's not cheap to go NHRA racing.

IMHO, the NHRA is "catering" to the Manufacturers purpose-built racing programs and their "Superstock" Stockers (SS combos allowed to run in Stock) while ignoring the REAL cars that they build.
They are much more fun to watch and drive BUT we are supposed to be talking about an Eliminator called "Stock".

JP1738 11-01-2024 08:40 AM

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Billy, speaking of that '93 fwd ford, I have one and aspired to build it into a stocker before I got my station wagon. It's a 1993 ford festiva with a 1.3 liter 4 banger and a 5 speed. Would've been a blast. I might still do it if I ever get gobs of free time.

It's the car I drove to high school and college, still have it and drive it every couple of months.

goinbroke2 11-01-2024 01:57 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Buddy had a 92 festiva and I owed a 94 aspire and 96 aspire. Those little cars were a blast to rip around in, lol.

Wonder what a 1.3 festiva would do in the 1/4? Be fun having a SS go by at 150mph when you're going 60mph! BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Pete L 11-01-2024 06:32 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
I looked into running a 2007 Chevy HHR as a fwd stocker about 5 years ago. When I contacted NHRA, they said no problem as long as Chevrolet would provide the specs and they gave me a name to contact at Chevrolet.
Turns out the Chevy folks were not interested. Here is their response:
“Hi Pete. Unfortunately, vehicle/engine specifications including part numbers are not readily available for past model GM cars. NHRA also requires submitting parts and they could be difficult to track down after more than 10 years of being out of production. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.”

Mark Yacavone 11-01-2024 06:37 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
DP, The 93 Festiva has No Engine Specs (NES) submitted by Ford

It's a no go in Stock..

doglover44 11-02-2024 05:01 AM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete L (Post 704913)
I looked into running a 2007 Chevy HHR as a fwd stocker about 5 years ago. When I contacted NHRA, they said no problem as long as Chevrolet would provide the specs and they gave me a name to contact at Chevrolet.
Turns out the Chevy folks were not interested. Here is their response:
?Hi Pete. Unfortunately, vehicle/engine specifications including part numbers are not readily available for past model GM cars. NHRA also requires submitting parts and they could be difficult to track down after more than 10 years of being out of production. Sorry I couldn?t be of more help.?

HHR would be a cool stocker

Billy Nees 11-02-2024 07:37 AM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete L (Post 704913)
I looked into running a 2007 Chevy HHR as a fwd stocker about 5 years ago. When I contacted NHRA, they said no problem as long as Chevrolet would provide the specs and they gave me a name to contact at Chevrolet.
Turns out the Chevy folks were not interested. Here is their response:
?Hi Pete. Unfortunately, vehicle/engine specifications including part numbers are not readily available for past model GM cars. NHRA also requires submitting parts and they could be difficult to track down after more than 10 years of being out of production. Sorry I couldn?t be of more help.?

You could get the combo in the guide yourself but it would take some time and effort. You'll need a donor car and a sympathetic parts man (or 2) but it can be done!
You should also check out the internet and see if you can find a copy of the MVMA guide for the year you need!

Charles Stewart 11-02-2024 08:43 AM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete L (Post 704913)
I looked into running a 2007 Chevy HHR as a fwd stocker about 5 years ago. When I contacted NHRA, they said no problem as long as Chevrolet would provide the specs and they gave me a name to contact at Chevrolet.
Turns out the Chevy folks were not interested. Here is their response:
?Hi Pete. Unfortunately, vehicle/engine specifications including part numbers are not readily available for past model GM cars. NHRA also requires submitting parts and they could be difficult to track down after more than 10 years of being out of production. Sorry I couldn?t be of more help.?

Both NHRA AND CARS MANUFACTURERS are missing the boat here, with this best way to attrack new young people to NHRA Stock category.
I'm not sure of the willing of both partners to resolve this issue.

Pete L 11-05-2024 03:37 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 704925)
You could get the combo in the guide yourself but it would take some time and effort. You'll need a donor car and a sympathetic parts man (or 2) but it can be done!
You should also check out the internet and see if you can find a copy of the MVMA guide for the year you need!

Yes I thought about that ... then I sold the donor car and moved on. Would have made a neat stocker though.

Tom Meyer 11-10-2024 11:43 PM

Re: FWD stockers
 
Congrats to Brent Kopejtka for finishing third place in Div 5 stock points. His E FWD stockerl put fear to many.

Cglrcng 11-12-2024 12:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Meyer (Post 705315)
Congrats to Brent Kopejtka for finishing third place in Div 5 stock points. His E FWD stockerl put fear to many.

Both of the K-brothers know how to make a turtle sprout wings. I just want to see one of them or both up close to see a little of their magic, just not in the other lane just yet.

Great Job Brent!


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