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SDmopar 12-16-2024 04:17 PM

Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
The numbers are out! Any big surprises?

Nick Heath 12-16-2024 05:54 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
There's a new "showroom COPO" combination (looks like for years 2019-2020-2022-2023).

376/385hp at 3250 shipping weight - so an AA/A/B combination.

TOSTO RACING 12-16-2024 06:30 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Oh mine even has a bow on it 😀. I do have a question how the **** can NHRA give a combo hp without even looking at the ****ing car that got the hit ??? How do we know the car was legal as claimed because he said it was on his tech card lol come on NHRA get real !

Jared Jordan 12-16-2024 06:56 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
RIP to the '70 402 Nova and the '77 360 Volare/Aspen.

Jim Caughlin 12-16-2024 08:15 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Thank god they got the 300HP 289 Ford combo sorted out, people were just flooding the lanes with that combo...

J.R. Haddad 12-16-2024 08:28 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
I have the 2015 version of the Street 376 combo. The new Direct Injection
Street version 2019-2024 looks like a good combo. I don't know how many
people want a 150,000.00 Stocker, that doesn't have the resale value of a COPO, which hasn't been great of late.

J.R.

Adub464Q 12-16-2024 08:59 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
For all us nosey members?can someone do the research and post each combo with the offender that caused the percentage?

Skydog 12-16-2024 09:10 PM

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GUMP 12-16-2024 09:28 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 706887)
There's a new "showroom COPO" combination (looks like for years 2019-2020-2022-2023).

376/385hp at 3250 shipping weight - so an AA/A/B combination.

It's the production Camaro. Any 2016-24 production Camaro with the LT1 would pass teardown. Coming to a racetrack near you soon...

SDmopar 12-16-2024 09:53 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 706903)
For all us nosey members?can someone do the research and post each combo with the offender that caused the percentage?

Nitro Joe happens to have all the info you are looking for. I have found it pretty interesting data. Well worth the nominal fee he charges per year.

DG 12-16-2024 09:55 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad (Post 706898)
I have the 2015 version of the Street 376 combo. The new Direct Injection
Street version 2019-2024 looks like a good combo. I don't know how many
people want a 150,000.00 Stocker, that doesn't have the resale value of a COPO, which hasn't been great of late.

J.R.

Considering the 2019-24 motor has more compression and a bigger cam, with the automatic being rated 15 hp less than the 2015 motor, I would agree it looks like a good combo. The existing B, A and AA competitors just got bent over.

Adub464Q 12-16-2024 10:17 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SDmopar (Post 706909)
Nitro Joe happens to have all the info you are looking for. I have found it pretty interesting data. Well worth the nominal fee he charges per year.

Yes and no in this instance. Because it includes Nat Opens/Indy, the data he shows could have a run that was fastest but is excluded from AHFS.

SS3860 12-16-2024 10:44 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
396 Camaro 11hp ouch.

Tom Flowers
3860 E/SA

1347 12-16-2024 10:49 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 706903)
For all us nosey members?can someone do the research and post each combo with the offender that caused the percentage?

Buy a Nitro Joe book and you will have it all in print for you, some combos got hit by several different people and different races, so it sometimes isn't one car at one track.

1347 12-16-2024 10:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 706912)
Yes and no in this instance. Because it includes Nat Opens/Indy, the data he shows could have a run that was fastest but is excluded from AHFS.

But the runs that do count will be on there and you just ignore that ones at Indy and Opens. Oh, and the Division 1 qualifier at Maple Grove for the Virginia make up race.

MW7670 12-17-2024 06:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SS3860 (Post 706913)
396 Camaro 11hp ouch.

Tom Flowers
3860 E/SA

Ouch is an understatement !! Everyone who runs this combo can give a big thank you to one gentleman named Ralph P. What a ****

Don Kennedy 12-17-2024 09:47 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Yikes I got my Christmas Present. 8 HP more

Pont 428 375 335 343 68 2.25%

GT FWD Auto Trans Rep Heads

Todd Hoven 12-17-2024 10:38 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MW7670 (Post 706918)
Ouch is an understatement !! Everyone who runs this combo can give a big thank you to one gentleman named Ralph P. What a ****

Go back and look, there were a few others that could have helped this from happening. It’s not all on Ralph, the lions share is. There were people fighting the good fight, and some that gave up and ran their car.

GUMP 12-17-2024 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 706921)
Go back and look, there were a few others that could have helped this from happening. It?s not all on Ralph

I just sent a guy a text about that.

I really feel that a lot of people think that they are helping a combination by keeping their "personal average" below .850. It doesn't work that way.

My favorites would be the guys that kill a combination without help...

MR DERBY CITY 12-17-2024 11:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 706922)
I just sent a guy a text about that.

I really feel that a lot of people think that they are helping a combination by keeping their "personal average" below .850. It doesn't work that way.

My favorites would be the guys that kill a combination without help...

There are still NUMEROUS racers, damn good racers …. that do not understand how the AHFS works ….My FAVS are the racers that do not qualify at least 65 under AND think they are helping the average …….

Chuck Weissberg 12-17-2024 02:48 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Did the 302 Ford 2 V get hit?

Vic Cagnazzi 12-17-2024 05:21 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1347 (Post 706914)
Buy a Nitro Joe book and you will have it all in print for you, some combos got hit by several different people and different races, so it sometimes isn't one car at one track.

Where can I order the 2024 book?

Mark Yacavone 12-17-2024 05:52 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Weissberg (Post 706944)
Did the 302 Ford 2 V get hit?

Only ONE of them...

jmcarter 12-17-2024 07:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic Cagnazzi (Post 706952)
Where can I order the 2024 book?

Reach out to Bill Howell, he is printing them now and usually prints extra for sale?or directly to Joe for electronic copies. Yearly subscription is the best value in racing.

http://howellprinting.net/

njdrstats@gmail.com.

Vic Cagnazzi 12-18-2024 08:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 706957)
Reach out to Bill Howell, he is printing them now and usually prints extra for sale?or directly to Joe for electronic copies. Yearly subscription is the best value in racing.

http://howellprinting.net/

njdrstats@gmail.com.

Thank you Jim.

mike britt 12-18-2024 01:44 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 706887)
There's a new "showroom COPO" combination (looks like for years 2019-2020-2022-2023).

376/385hp at 3250 shipping weight - so an AA/A/B combination.

We have one of these we?re about to put on the lot for sale here at the dealership.

GTS340 12-18-2024 04:51 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
The 340 combo getting Hp in superstock for one car going to Gainsville.Puts 2 dings on it, breaks for first round and never seen again.
Same person runs a flat hooded GTS in stock (pet peeve). Attention to detail?

Paul Haszlauer

james schaechter 12-18-2024 06:29 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
I get the frustration, but if you have that combo, it would not have taken too many runs to fix it before the end of the year right?


Quote:

Originally Posted by GTS340 (Post 706989)
The 340 combo getting Hp in superstock for one car going to Gainsville.Puts 2 dings on it, breaks for first round and never seen again.
Same person runs a flat hooded GTS in stock (pet peeve). Attention to detail?

Paul Haszlauer


GUMP 12-18-2024 06:45 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mike britt (Post 706979)
We have one of these we?re about to put on the lot for sale here at the dealership.

Don't rush to build one quite yet....

GTX JOHN 12-18-2024 07:00 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Well, I did everything according to the instructions
in my 80 Aspen. But I did not get any help again. I am
the only one that runs that stupid combo. I made
plenty of runs this year on the record.

Dan Fahey 12-19-2024 01:10 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Weissberg (Post 706944)
Did the 302 Ford 2 V get hit?


This one?

Ford 302 122/137 146 150 1977 2.25%

Mustang Auto Trans

Lyn Smith 12-19-2024 03:03 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 706999)
Well, I did everything according to the instructions
in my 80 Aspen. But I did not get any help again. I am
the only one that runs that stupid combo. I made
plenty of runs this year on the record.

DId you ask MR.Cvengos for a explanation?

devo340 12-19-2024 05:01 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 706999)
Well, I did everything according to the instructions
in my 80 Aspen. But I did not get any help again. I am
the only one that runs that stupid combo. I made
plenty of runs this year on the record.

What combo do you run?

GTX JOHN 12-20-2024 12:51 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
318 1980 Aspen Coupe SS/MA

318 1978 Aspen Wagon N/SA

360 1980 Dodge Ram N/SA

340 71 Demon E/SA

340/400 73 Roadrunner I/SA

These are it for me at the moment

My son Runs several also.

Terry Drinkwater 12-20-2024 08:05 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 707051)
318 1980 Aspen Coupe SS/MA

318 1978 Aspen Wagon N/SA

360 1980 Dodge Ram N/SA

340 71 Demon E/SA

340/400 73 Roadrunner I/SA

These are it for me at the moment

My son Runs several also.

Your shop must be pretty crowded!

jmcarter 12-20-2024 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Drinkwater (Post 707053)
Your shop must be pretty crowded!

Some of his shops are, others aren?t LOL. John gave me a tour a few years back?I?m still amazed.

Terry Cain 12-26-2024 10:11 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
I see on the hp adjustments they changed the hp rating on a 68 Corvette 327/325 motor. That's a mistake. They never made that combination in the Corvette. Are they talking the 327/350 stick only combo?

Dave Casey 12-26-2024 10:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 707223)
I see on the hp adjustments they changed the hp rating on a 68 Corvette 327/325 motor. That's a mistake. They never made that combination in the Corvette. Are they talking the 327/350 stick only combo?

They lowered the 325 hp motor in the Chevelle and Nova, so I would guess that you are correct. In the Corvette the 350hp/327 motor is the same as the other 2 bodys I believe. They just rated it at 350 because it is in the corvette.

Bob Gullett 12-26-2024 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 707223)
I see on the hp adjustments they changed the hp rating on a 68 Corvette 327/325 motor. That's a mistake. They never made that combination in the Corvette. Are they talking the 327/350 stick only combo?

Dave is correct. Looking at the blueprint specs on the 327/350 in the Corvette and comparing it to the Nova/Chevelle 327/325 motor it appears they are identical Just the Corvette was rated higher for what ever reason. And yes it is a stick only motor.

Adger Smith 12-27-2024 08:03 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Bob,
Through all the 60 years I've been racing I have always heard the Corvette ratings were higher on like combinations because of the Stock Exhaust manifolds and the Stock Pan configuration. For the life of me I can't see how a Exhaust Manifold difference in all classes that allow aftermarket headers is even a consideration for HP variations. Now a Stocker with a Stocker pan.. I can see that there could be a difference...In Super Stock and Super Stock GT where aftermarket pans are allowed I don't see any reason to add HP to "like" engine combinations. Is NHRA Tech going back to some wheelbase considerations like in the old days with Ford and Mopar??


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