Class Eliminations
 

Taking a survey.

How often would you want to run Class Eliminations?

Every event? Every other event? Or a couple of special events a year?

Alan

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I would like to see it be at least a couple of times a year in each Division.

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Two or three times a year as long as it doesnt require you to have to be there on Thursday.

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1 national event per division per year, Stock and Super Stock, no entry quotas, qualified field.

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A couple of times in each division, more than NHRA has dropped down to.

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Certainly having enough to allow most teams to have a crack at class eliminations a couple of times in each geo area would be great!

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I'd say one national event per division and half of all divisionals. It'd work out great for D2 NHRA this year given we already have class at Gainesville, then run class at the two doubles at Rockingham and SGMP.

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Class Eliminations are a great idea, now can we get the fields back up to 96 or 128 so we can have class eliminations.

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I believe if you had class more often than not, you'd see that jump in participation. Gainesville has been knocking on the door of a qualified field for the last few years and they always have class.

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Every chance I get... ESPECIALLY, if no AHFS or penalty in effect for class and qualifying.
run Q1 ..... start class eliminations Q2 to save time..
Mike Taylor 3601

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How about this. Have Q 1 then round 1 of class that will be a ladder from the Q1 runs. First round of class is part of the Q data for the NHRA race and be in the final qualifying order. C2 and beyond is a race within a race and will not count in the E data. When the category Eliminations start from the qualifying ladder all of those runs in eliminations will be in the E data.

IHRA Top Stock was fun and had winners from all over the country. Sticks and autos ran heads-up. And if memory serves me correctly the winner was torn down right after the race.

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As many class eliminations as you can fit in the schedule and yes we need Top Stock back!!

Thanks Alan for actually asking the racers !!!!

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Alan, twice in each division per year. Whether it is at a National or Divisional
event, we will leave up to you and your people. Leave all options open
so that we don't become critical. I know as a rule racers never complain
about things that sanctioning bodies decide.

J.R.

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It should also be noted that tech and teardowns seem to be a common theme here on CR. If IHRA plans to go back to championship class racing, that needs to be an integral part of it.

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Guys , seems as though a lot of you are sharing your thoughts on NHRA racing …..I would love for IHRA to succeed BUT you really need large car counts for EXCITING class eliminations ….

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What JGrossiJr said with exception of permanent class events at Winters, Gators and Indy not to count against 1 per division per year total so a total of (10) class opportunities

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If there is no AHFS then two national events in each div and the first race on all double races in every div.

Dirk

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What MJ said! Combo class isn?t near as exciting as multiple entries in a class. Whatever geographical region IHRA targets for class needs to be supported for them to warrant any class elimination. Perhaps Top Stock and Junior Stock would be logical to start with and ramp up class eliminations based on the level of support they get.

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Rotate class Eliminations every other event
Stock 1 event
Super stock the next event
It?s probably more manageable for event scheduling

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You do understand Alan doesn't work for NHRA anymore, I believe he is asking under his new position at IHRA

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I would like to see every other race with class. Bring IHRA back to the glory days where 100 cars showed up and you won't have issues with class runoffs. IHRA Top Stock and maybe Junior Stock would be awesome.

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I think it depends on the schedule, lots of great posts/suggestions as they relate to the Nhra schedule. For Ihra, it depends more on track, location, and race quantity.

If IHRA offers class, we are going. We are class racers and NHRA has really diminished that part of S/SS.

Also, Alan, make license cross over easy and membership easy so guys can just show up. That easy process got us to our first Ihra races 20yrs ago.

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2- times in each division. All nitro jams. Q1 for the ladder then class runoffs. All runs count towards AHFS as the current NHRA system.

The only change needed is allow requests for hp reduction.
If less then 2 triggers. -1.0 runs
If average of all runs is less then -0.065. Minimum of 20 total runs
Do a HP reduction.

Sure there will be triggers and HP will be awarded. But with a consistent system combos can also be corrected if over adjusted. Allows everyone to race and make their decisions at the stripe.

Use your existing HP ratings and run autos and sticks together for heads up. If the HP ratings are different from stock to auto spit the difference and make them the same. Simple and straightforward.

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It seems this post has been modified to include AHFS and HP Ratings.
If IHRA wants to keep their life simple, which we want them to do, we don't
want to become more aggravation than we're worth, then the AHFS
should look like this this: over 1.25 under-3.5% Hit. Under -.50 under,
of which records must be kept by individual racer and sent in at year
end for verification-3.5 % reduction. No averages to keep track of, just
easy peasy. No Aspirin required on either side.

J.R.

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IHRA in the south works, up here in the great white north, no tracks as of right now here it does not work. I have hopes that in the future that will change, so we will see.

Dirk

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At least at 2 events per year in each division.

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The benefits of the current NHRA AHFS system is it takes care of any mineshaft weather events simply. And looks at a sample of all the cars across the country.

Main point is welcome IHRA yes we want Class eliminations and let?s simplify it so we can get more heads up runs.

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Back in the day, did not IHRA follow NHRA s lead regarding HP factors ?…...not sure we can use AHFS and IHRA in the same sentence. This would be the perfect time for Michael Beard to chime in ….

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IHRA has a great opportunity to learn from NHRA and make improvements. There is plenty of room for both. The racer wins when they are competing for business. More heads up races make for what we all want a true performance based class on an evolving equal playing field. Personal index?s would be great but a lot hassle

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I like the idea for a Top Stock and Junior Stock to start with. and I agree on License,Membership and car number. Make it easy to switch back and forth.

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NHRA use to run Stock or SS Class at every national event and would alternate Stock and SS Class from one year to the next at the each events. They also ran both Stock and SS Class at all SportsNationals, Gainsville, Indy, Vegas 1 & 2...and maybe one or two west coast Nationals.

In todays national event climate, shorten schedules and shortage in staff, class is not really suited for the national event stage anymore.

I would agree that at least 2 Class runoff races per division(at divisionals/opens) + Columbus, Belle Rose and Indy would definitely be well received by all STK & SS competitors.

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Any idea what tracks yet? Not class in general.

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Alan works for IHRA now, the tracks listed he has no control over. I believe he is using our input for the newly structured IHRA in the future

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For the people that are saying "hE dOeSnT wOrK fOr NhRa AnYmOrE"... we know lol. We are basing what we know on the only sanctioning body that runs class at all. We are making suggestions on how we would like the current sanctioning body to manage class run-offs and have IHRA mirror our requests. Given we have no idea what divs/nats will look like or consist of with IHRA, we are making suggestions on what we are already familiar with.

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Yes.. MJ ,IHRA previously used the specs and horsepower ratings from NHRA... some HP factors may have been different.
I haven't heard if pure stock, crate motor and GT stockers will be back?
pure stock had different HP ratings than the same combo in stock.
crate motor was IHRA's ratings, GT most likely same as the combo is in stock

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Alan just my considered opinion,means i thought about it.lol
i think you would have a lot more participation if you seperated the
Fi cars from the carbs. like they did originally. Now i know there will be a lot of pushback from the Fi guys, of course But if we dont preserve the classics
they will eventually be pushed out. i have ideas on how to make it fair if you want to talk. And before youse guys start , i know everyone is not going to agree ,but maybe we can express our opinions without rancor. haha

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Now I know why we are destined to fail as a group.
Alan asked one question, we have now given him 37 different opinions on how we should tell him how Stock and Super Stock should be run if IHRA takes it on. I almost caught myself giving my opinion on this post but I know better. I'm sure Alan knows these classes well enough he has his own ideas or has enough people that he has worked with to come up with a plan. I can bet you one thing, if this thread turns into 100+ suggestions, it will be the last time he asks a simple question.

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What the hell were we supposed to do? All pm each other until we formed perfect unison, then had one answer? The whole point of the thread was to get opinions and ideas.

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True JP and it's likely one of the only times you will get to express your opinion about anything to an official who actually has the power to do something about it so I think giving opinions is a good thing because Alan will take it the right way.

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If you look at the question that was asked, it was only how often you would think class should be run - nothing else.