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Vic Cagnazzi 04-03-2025 03:18 PM

How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Looking at the General & Specific Class Lane Choice Procedures just posted on NHRA Racer.
Is this a new rule? I was under the impression that Stock and Super Stock lane choice was always determined by a coin toss?

-Super Stock and Stock: Round one lane choice goes to the better qualifying position. Subsequent rounds are determined by a coin toss.

Adub464Q 04-03-2025 03:31 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
That is 100% new verbiage in the "outline" posted today on NHRA Racer.

The rulebook states lane choice in a number of classes under race procedures, but does not list stock/super stock. Therefore, the following statement applies:

"In all other categories, competing drivers are to determine lane choice by a coin flip or a random-draw lane assignment."

Someone needs to update the outline that was just put out because they are incorrect.

Larry Merk 04-03-2025 04:01 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 711128)
That is 100% new verbiage in the "outline" posted today on NHRA Racer.

Someone needs to update the outline that was just put out because they are incorrect.

Or...., they are implementing a new rule.

Any SRAC representative care to make the call for clarification?

ZenzenRacing 04-03-2025 05:52 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Says Stock and Super Stock on the Comp site for the new rule!

Larry Hill 04-04-2025 08:12 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Vic it looks like you and your rocket ship will have lane choice this year!

Bryan Worner 04-04-2025 01:19 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
I keep on top of the topics that our SRAC reps discuss and never heard this one! So why even have the SRAC if NHRA doesn?t listen to them on issues the racers have and just institute whatever rules they want to? Why waste an SRAC reps time?

Mike Pearson 04-04-2025 02:42 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 711161)
I keep on top of the topics that our SRAC reps discuss and never heard this one! So why even have the SRAC if NHRA doesn?t listen to them on issues the racers have and just institute whatever rules they want to? Why waste an SRAC reps time?

The SRAC has had little success over its life so far. It is good that we have some sort of representation for the sportsman categories.

Mike Taylor 3601 04-04-2025 04:56 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
In my opinion Stock, Super Stock and if it isn't already, Comp should ALL be lower qualified car gets lane choice EVERY round.

J.R. Haddad 04-04-2025 09:18 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Bryan, I was on General Motors Dealer Counsel. It started out as a great
idea to get the dealer's opinions on different topics and concerns that either
GM or the dealers had on the areas that mutually concerned them. We had
to travel to Detroit for meetings, and it was 3 to 4 days out of your week, so
you certainly wanted to accomplish something of benefit for your involvement. I can say that it aligns exactly like SRAC. Very few of the dealers ideas were used, and in most cases decisions had been made
before we even arrived at the meetings. They were meant to be make us
feel important, and involved in the decisions that may shape our future.
It was just a ruse to appease us, and if a dealer asked GM a tough question,
they would tell them to contact their dealer counsel rep. A waste of everyone's time.

J.R.

Larry Hill 04-05-2025 07:39 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Racers should have some reward for qualifying high on the list.

Alan Roehrich 04-05-2025 09:01 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 711164)
The SRAC has had little success over its life so far. It is good that we have some sort of representation for the sportsman categories.


But do you?

Jeff Niceswanger 04-05-2025 09:29 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 711180)
Racers should have some reward for qualifying high on the list.

I'm thinking when we first started running IHRA your lane choice was whoever was quicker in qualifying. 1999'ish. Only lasted a couple years, then they changed it to the way NHRA does it. Or am I dreaming this.?

RKelliher 04-05-2025 10:10 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
I go back over 50 years, and coin toss was always used. Just because some people can spend a lot of money, doesn't mean they should get lane chose.

Mike Pearson 04-05-2025 10:45 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 711183)
I'm thinking when we first started running IHRA your lane choice was whoever was quicker in qualifying. 1999'ish. Only lasted a couple years, then they changed it to the way NHRA does it. Or am I dreaming this.?

I think I remember it was that way as well in IHRA at one time. I later years he was a coin toss

Demon340 04-05-2025 11:03 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Our local NHRA track goes by a better reaction time in the previous round.
Who ever had a better reaction in the prior round gets the lane choice.

Bobby DiDomenico 04-05-2025 01:08 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 711183)
I'm thinking when we first started running IHRA your lane choice was whoever was quicker in qualifying. 1999'ish. Only lasted a couple years, then they changed it to the way NHRA does it. Or am I dreaming this.?

When Tom Rix raced the '70 Buick in Top Stock we discovered IHRA used qualifying to award lane choice when at an IHRA National Event our competitor ran way slower then we did the previous round yet had lane choice. I believe it was changed later but I'm not positive.
I don't recall how it was at the Division 5 (?) races, Bill did a pretty good job with the starting line so with the slower SS '72 GS it wasn't a huge deal after we sorted out the car. Anatol may recall. In any case great times to race.

Larry Hill 04-06-2025 08:34 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
In IHRA Top Stock the higher qualifier had lane choice in round one. The rest of the race the quicker car had lane choice . I think if it was a tie in ET the fastest MPH had lane choice.
We did not have lane choice many times or win a lot of rounds but for us, Jerry and myself, it was some of the best racing we ever did.

pmrphil 04-06-2025 08:37 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
I remember waay back in IHRA, the guy at the head of staging had a deck of cards, pulled one card for each staging lane, the higher card had lane choice.

Dewdlebug 04-07-2025 08:44 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
As it turns out this update on the entire staging lane process was brought up and discussed at length during our last SRAC "Super class" meeting a couple of weeks ago. The conversation was initiated from recent events in multiple divisions. The emphasis from the SRAC was to provide more clarity of the "race procedures" rules around staging lanes, etc., (which do apparently exist) but few of the racers actually know of the details of them (and NHRA had opted not to wholesale publish them). The message was that if you want us to adhere to them, and follow them, then they should be shared.

Hats off to NHRA in this case for listening that they had an issue and addressing it.

Of course the specific lane choice items being discussed here for S/SS was not discussed in our "super class" meeting but apparently it was flushed out when the other items were communicated. There's still gaps in the procedure for the Supers, but it's a whole lot clearer than it was.

Bobby DiDomenico 04-07-2025 11:15 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 711209)
In IHRA Top Stock the higher qualifier had lane choice in round one. The rest of the race the quicker car had lane choice . I think if it was a tie in ET the fastest MPH had lane choice.
We did not have lane choice many times or win a lot of rounds but for us, Jerry and myself, it was some of the best racing we ever did.

I don't recall when Larry, they did change it sometime not long afterwards.

Mike Pearson 04-08-2025 07:15 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 711182)
But do you?

It is a voice but not sure if it is heard

e vassar 04-08-2025 07:26 PM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
How about the first one to the lanes gets lane choice.
That would surely speed up the process.
Personally I don't really care...I can be red or late in either lane!

Lyn Smith 04-09-2025 09:39 AM

Re: How long has this rule been in effect?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico (Post 711262)
I don't recall when Larry, they did change it sometime not long afterwards.

Back when I had my 72 Buick GS IHRA Pure Stock car I could usually qualify at or near the top. I remember races that I made every run at a double points race in the same lane. This was around 2002-2005.


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