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J&S Racing 08-24-2025 04:05 PM

What would you do??
 
Let?s say you had a heads up and your competitor gets caught towing his car to the lanes. Would you make him drive back to his trailer and back to the lanes? push for a DQ or just line up??

TOSTO RACING 08-24-2025 04:23 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
If he got caught you should've had a bye!

CMcAllister 08-24-2025 04:40 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING (Post 715672)
If he got caught you should've had a bye!

This. Not your decision.

Now if an official didn't see it, then it's up to someone to bring it to their attention.

Brett C 08-24-2025 04:44 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J&S Racing (Post 715671)
Let?s say you had a heads up and your competitor gets caught towing his car to the lanes. Would you make him drive back to his trailer and back to the lanes? push for a DQ or just line up??

I would notify an official. Then whatever happens?happens.

TOSTO RACING 08-24-2025 04:46 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Under NHRA rules, Stock Eliminator cars are prohibited from being towed to the staging lanes. Once competition has begun, vehicles must be driven under their own power at all times.

The reasoning behind these rules, especially in classes like Stock Eliminator, is to prevent racers from using a tow vehicle to gain an unfair performance advantage. This includes keeping the engine's temperature at an optimal level, which is a key part of the human talent and race strategy.



LOL ,

Never said it was my decision he asked a question and I gave my answer.

If a tech guy caught me doing that I would get sent back to my trailer. Well when there was tech I should say. But he did say he got caught so if indeed he got caught you would think he would get a bye.

jmcarter 08-24-2025 04:47 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Fact remains there are certain teams with premium pit spots that happen to have a lot of buddies willing to push their cars into the lanes. Given that if they pass fuel check and go across the scales then let the better car/driver win the race.

J&S Racing 08-24-2025 04:54 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 715676)
Fact remains there are certain teams with premium pit spots that happen to have a lot of buddies willing to push their cars into the lanes. Given that if they pass fuel check and go across the scales then let the better car/driver win the race.

He was not pushed he was towed up with a truck. Hid behind the tech building, peeked around to make sure nobody was looking, unhooked his car and drove it around the corner

J&S Racing 08-24-2025 05:06 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING (Post 715672)
If he got caught you should've had a bye!

It was pointed out to NHRA at the head of staging, if they walked around the corner they would?ve seen him unhooking but decided to turn a blind eye. I was told they would have a talk with him.. this was a seasoned racer who 100% new he was in the wrong and I was told a few racers told him leaving his pit it was not right.

Frank Castros 08-24-2025 06:05 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
If he plays that game he's a cheater.
Back in the day we would push our car up the hill at Maple Grove to get the "free" TT.
Would have I liked to tow that 3,570 beast to the top of lanes? For sure.
**** him.

Jrh5220 08-24-2025 07:59 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 715681)
If he plays that game he's a cheater.
Back in the day we would push our car up the hill at Maple Grove to get the "free" TT.
Would have I liked to tow that 3,570 beast to the top of lanes? For sure.
**** him.

To be fair all stocker should park the same distance from the lanes!

MR DERBY CITY 08-24-2025 09:56 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J&S Racing (Post 715677)
He was not pushed he was towed up with a truck. Hid behind the tech building, peeked around to make sure nobody was looking, unhooked his car and drove it around the corner

You missed your chance… you should have taken a pic with your phone and presented it to the DD ….

Jody Lang 08-24-2025 11:33 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Seen the same thing at Sonoma last year. They towed to the top of the hill unhooked and coasted down the hill. I didn?t have my phone with me.

bobbyd6 08-25-2025 12:57 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
Several years ago at Topeka a stocker was being towed to the lanes by a golf cart, Tech Guy, the late Wayne Lewis yelled tow that back to your pits & drive up here like everyone else

J&S Racing 08-25-2025 01:06 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jrh5220 (Post 715687)
To be fair all stocker should park the same distance from the lanes!

We were parked equal distances from staging FWIW

J&S Racing 08-25-2025 01:09 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 715697)
You missed your chance? you should have taken a pic with your phone and presented it to the DD ?.

It was brought up to the NHRA guys at head of staging, they could?ve seen him unhook if they wanted.. I was told later it went over the radio So they knew it happened and there action was to have a talk with the guy. Being new to stock I didn’t wanna push for a DQ, I would’ve liked NHRA to enforce their own rules.

GTX JOHN 08-25-2025 01:17 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
Most competitive teams now use a chiller and ice
directly behind the staging lanes on a Heads Up
race before entering the staging lanes.

J&S Racing 08-25-2025 09:35 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 715703)
Most competitive teams now use a chiller and ice
directly behind the staging lanes on a Heads Up
race before entering the staging lanes.

This post was specifically about TOWING a car up which is clearly prohibited in the rules?.not pushing not use of ice and chillers behind the lanes. I?m new to stock but I?m very aware of what can be done and what cannot.

Frank Castros 08-25-2025 09:50 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
Call the Division Director and file a formal complaint.

Mike Pearson 08-25-2025 10:46 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
It would really depend on how close the race is going to be. If its a close race then I would do something about it. If its a 5 or 6 tenths difference i would not worry about it because I have no chance to win the round anyway. I would have a talk with the other driver and give him my thoughts. I would for sure burn him down in the burn out and staging.

J&S Racing 08-25-2025 11:00 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 715719)
It would really depend on how close the race is going to be. If its a close race then I would do something about it. If its a 5 or 6 tenths difference i would not worry about it because I have no chance to win the round anyway. I would have a talk with the other driver and give him my thoughts. I would for sure burn him down in the burn out and staging.

Guy had me coved by a mile.. but I looked at his last string of lights and they were horrible 70?s and 80?s I was hitting teens so I had a chance.. my fault I let it get in my head and went red.. is what it is..

Spilled milk as it was pointed out and I agree? just still a little salty/. Was just wondering what others would?ve done

GUMP 08-25-2025 11:09 AM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by J&S Racing (Post 715721)
Was just wondering what others would've done


Years ago, a similar thing happened to me. I was .001 and lost .01 to a car that was pushed through the water box. At the time I didn't want to rock the boat. Today I would go straight to tech at the end of the run and get weighed.

JP1738 08-25-2025 12:03 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 715722)
Years ago, a similar thing happened to me. I was .001 and lost .01 to a car that was pushed through the water box. At the time I didn't want to rock the boat. Today I would go straight to tech at the end of the run and get weighed.

Are you not allowed to push it through the lanes and up to the ready line? Or do you have to have it fired by the time you get there? I don't know the rule on that.

GUMP 08-25-2025 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 715726)
Are you not allowed to push it through the lanes and up to the ready line? Or do you have to have it fired by the time you get there? I don't know the rule on that.

that is fine. You just can't be pushed through the water box....

James Perrone 08-25-2025 03:33 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING (Post 715672)
If he got caught you should've had a bye!


No, DQ
The official if he caught, you would tell you to drive it back to your pit and drive it back
That?s the rule
Ask your father

TOSTO RACING 08-25-2025 05:53 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
I get what you are saying James ,but i just don't see in the rule book if you get caught towing to the lanes you have to drive back to the pits and drive back up it says towing to the lanes is prohibited which to me means not legal. So not sure how they would handle it, and I'm guessing its up to the official at the time of the infraction. And like Shane said I wish NHRA would follow its own rules no matter who you are a beginner or a pro shouldn't matter a rule is a rule and if broken you should pay the consequences end of story!

Like if I'm 10 pounds light at the scale can I go back to my trailer add weight and drive back and weigh? May as well if all you have to do when you get caught towing is go drive back and forth :). If you get caught towing up you can drive back to the trailer thats fine but you should stay there! Maybe prohibited means something else ?? idk lol

J&S Racing 08-25-2025 06:13 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING (Post 715756)
I get what you are saying James ,but i just don't see in the rule book if you get caught towing to the lanes you have to drive back to the pits and drive back up it says towing to the lanes is prohibited which to me means not legal. So not sure how they would handle it, and I'm guessing its up to the official at the time of the infraction. And like Shane said I wish NHRA would follow its own rules no matter who you are a beginner or a pro shouldn't matter a rule is a rule and if broken you should pay the consequences end of story!

Like if I'm 10 pounds light at the scale can I go back to my trailer add weight and drive back and weigh? May as well if all you have to do when you get caught towing is go drive back and forth :). If you get caught towing up you can drive back to the trailer thats fine but you should stay there! Maybe prohibited means something else ?? idk lol

FWIW I messaged the division director what the penalty is. I also asked about chillers and ice at the mouth of the lanes.my understanding that stuff can?t leave a pit spot, doesn?t have to be your pit spot if you had a friend closer?. I will update if he answers

Brett C 08-25-2025 07:08 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J&S Racing (Post 715758)
FWIW I messaged the division director what the penalty is. I also asked about chillers and ice at the mouth of the lanes.my understanding that stuff can?t leave a pit spot, doesn?t have to be your pit spot if you had a friend closer?. I will update if he answers

Just about everyone uses a friend?s pit that is closer to help chill.
In Indy, where it should be policed to the highest level, people are still chilling in the lanes!

Greg Barsamian 08-26-2025 08:02 PM

Re: What would you do??
 
Last year at the "Dutch", we were in the "Final for Class", and was using a friends pit spot at the top of the hill above the staging lanes to cool the engine.
NHRA made us stop cooling and informed us that "You have to use your own pit area to cool/chill and prepare your car, and then drive it to the lanes"

However at the "Double" at Numedia", we were fortunate to be "pitted" on the hill" above staging, so we were able to just "roll it down" into the lanes!


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