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Robbie Welch 08-05-2013 04:03 PM

4 wheel disc brakes
 
I've been doing needed updates to the old Fairlane. We built new headers 1 3/4 stepped to 1 7/8 there at Nitroplate getting coated. So while that's being done I thought I'd replace the 4 wheel (stock) drum brakes with strange 4 wheel disc. My question is what size bore master cylinder should I use? I asked the techs at strange and a friend that's done lots of dirt car brakes but got different answers from both of them. I also took the master cylinder off the car and measured the bore it was 1" and worked great with the drum brakes. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Lee Valentine 08-05-2013 06:11 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Ask Tom Goldman,nobody better.

Richard Grant 08-05-2013 06:44 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
I would try the 1" before changing it. You can get a generic suggestion from the brake people but my experience is it takes trial and error to find what works best for you. There are a lot of ifs ands and buts, such as brake petal ratio, car weight, perfered petal feel, etc.

Robbie Welch 08-06-2013 06:58 AM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Thanks for the response's, yea I'll probably try the 1" MC. I had to pull it a part to check the bore size I suffer from CRS. I just don't want a peddle so hard I can't stop the car. Thanks Robbie

Tom Goldman 08-06-2013 08:22 AM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
1" Might be a little small . It might work if the pedal ratio is low ,like 4-5 to1.like many power units use.
Robbie , I suspect your car was also manual brakes ,so the ratio is probably at least 6-7 to1.
Since you will be using 4 piston calipers ,I'd use at least a 1 1/16", or even a 1 3/32" bore cylinder.
You should be able to stop with normal pedal pressure. ...The smaller bore will give higher pressure with less effort, but it also makes it easier to lock the brakes when stabbing the pedal .

astikhossw 08-06-2013 12:04 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
I have a 1984 t-bird that is 2500 lbs with driver and i have strange disc brakes on all 4 with a stock ford master cylinder and i can stab it once or twice at 129 slows down great nothing scary.I use 2 pistons front and 4 piston rear.

Tom Goldman 08-06-2013 04:25 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Your T-bird master cyl is 21mm or about 13/16".
It will work with 2 piston calipers, but would probably be undersized for a 4 piston front caliper. It also will work better with a low pedal , ratio like 4-1.
If you're using the stock pedal and it had power brakes ,thats about what most of them are.
Getting good brakes is all about balancing pressure with the correct volume ,while getting a comfortable feel for the pedal pressure required.

Robbie Welch 08-06-2013 07:42 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Tom thanks for the reply, Do you think it will stop ok with the 1" MC. I'm sure its a manual brake set up on the car from the factor.

Tom Goldman 08-06-2013 10:51 PM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Robbie, it should stop ok as long as you don't run out of pedal travel .

Robbie Welch 08-07-2013 06:50 AM

Re: 4 wheel disc brakes
 
Thanks Tom, see you at Cecil.


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