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Tony Goodman 12-25-2015 12:02 PM

Porportioning Valve
 
I'm replacing the drum brakes on the rear of my stocker. I will have strange disc brakes front and rear now. Will I need a proportioning valve? Thanks Tony

Rsmith38 12-25-2015 12:15 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
I removed the load sensing prop valve on the Comanche - Aerospace front disks and Grand Cherokee rear disks - works fine!

Dick Butler 12-25-2015 12:33 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
Be sure to have the correct residual pressure valves in front and rear of master cyl.
Drums use a 8-10 lb valve and disc use 2 lb. These keep the brakes back from moving too far away to act.
Proportioning valve directs more of master cyl pressure to front or rear brakes depending where you need most braking. That may take experimentation with slicks versus small front tires.. I bet none is needed.

Eman 12-25-2015 01:54 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
I highly doubt you have any residual ck valves unless you installed them and or your MC is lower than the calipers. I spoke to brake manufacturers and they said they haven't used a residual ck valve in MC's for years. Modern wheel cyls have little strainers or valves on the ends of the springs which prevent the fluid from flowing too far back causing a low pedal on the first pump.
I'd try without any proportioning valve and see how it goes. usually you'll lock the frt. on a drag car with skinny tires before you'll lock the rear slicks. You might end up putting an adjustable proportioning valve in the frt. brake line. You might need the next size bore larger as disc brakes use more volume of fluid than drums, you'll just have to see.

Dick Butler 12-25-2015 02:54 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
[QUOTE=Eman;491404]I highly doubt you have any residual ck valves unless you installed them and or your MC is lower than the calipers. I spoke to brake manufacturers and they said they haven't used a residual ck valve in MC's for years. Modern wheel cyls have little strainers or valves on the ends of the springs which prevent the fluid from flowing too far back causing a low pedal on the first pump.
I'd try without any proportioning valve and see how it goes. usually you'll lock the frt. on a drag car with skinny tires before you'll lock the rear slicks. You might end up putting an adjustable proportioning valve in the frt. brake line. You might need the next size bore larger as disc brakes use more volume of fluid than drums, you'll just have to see.[/QUOTE)
Good point master cyl usually higher in cars. I was thinking of Chassis cars with low master cyl. Thanks for reminder and update on manufacturing.

Tom Goldman 12-26-2015 12:50 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
Tony didn't say what car he's doing this on ,or if he's using an OEM master cylinder .
Many older disc drum cars have integral residual valves ,either in the master cyl itself ,or in the factory combination/proportion valve that can cause excessive brake drag when being converted from drum to disc .
When making major system changes like this ,it's best to replace the master cylinder and the factory distribution block with parts that are sized properly for the application , particularly if the car will be foot braked .
On several of the Stockers I've built I've used Bias valves on the front brakes , not the rear,to proportion proper braking , especially at the finishline.

Tony Goodman 12-26-2015 03:45 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
All the factory stuff is gone. Have a 1.030 strange master cylinder, I don't know if I need a bigger one. Sounds like I probably should upgrade to the bigger master cylinder also. I want to do it right, but not spend money on things I don't need.

Greg Hill 12-26-2015 04:49 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Goodman (Post 491470)
All the factory stuff is gone. Have a 1.030 strange master cylinder, I don't know if I need a bigger one. Sounds like I probably should upgrade to the bigger master cylinder also. I want to do it right, but not spend money on things I don't need.

Tony, I think you should go with the 1 1/8 bore MC from strange. I believe you will have too soft a pedal with your current MC.

Tom Meyer 12-27-2015 03:06 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
What kind of a car is it? Might have to move where the rod attaches to the pedal to get better pressures with a footbrake car. Tom

Todd Geisler 12-27-2015 08:54 PM

Re: Porportioning Valve
 
Just got my new brakes from Lamb. In conversations with Roger he told me a few things.

1. he does not believe in reducing front brake pressure via an adjustable proportioning valve.

2. for 4 wheel discs, 4 piston caliper they recommend a 1 1/8" master cylinder.

I can tell you from my experience building cars, we never use residual pressure valves on cars where the master cylinder is on the firewall. The RPV is only used when the master cylinder is mounted on the floor.


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