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mcashman 02-03-2017 11:25 PM

Cam vs lifter question
 
I am building a small block Chevy stocker with a flat tappet, hydraulic cam . I bought a Lunati cam that's cast iron. Am I able to run trend tool steel lifters on that cam or do I need a billet cam? Or different lifters

carl hinkson 02-03-2017 11:56 PM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcashman (Post 525899)
I am building a small block Chevy stocker with a flat tappet, hydraulic cam . I bought a Lunati cam that's cast iron. Am I able to run trend tool steel lifters on that cam or do I need a billet cam? Or different lifters

You should be fine I use tool steel lifter a lot in my circle track builds.. I use a P-55 cam core which is considered a performance cam core.

To date no problems

Good Luck
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randy wilson 02-04-2017 09:04 AM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
It'll all be in the break in.

Greg Hill 02-04-2017 11:39 AM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
You do know you can run solid lifters now, right? Also if you're going to run a bunch of spring pressure (200 lbs on the seat), you might want to go with a billet cam. Cast cams wear out fast with that kind of spring pressure.

Alan Roehrich 02-04-2017 01:54 PM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
Tool steel lifters are fine on cast cores. You simply can't run DLC coated lifters on cast cores.

Remember that break in is absolutely critical, you need to be sure the engine can start instantly, go to 2,000 to 3,000 RPM immediately, and stay there for at least 30 minutes. Pre oil the engine, make absolutely certain that you generate good oil pressure, and do not stop until oil is present through the pushrod at every single rocker arm. Be wary of any oiling issues, if it seems like it is taking too long to get oil to the rocker arms, it probably is. You should not exceed 250 pounds OPEN pressure during BREAK IN, 200 pounds is fine, but do not exceed 3,000 RPM with lower than race ready spring pressure. Use a premium quality break in oil, 30W is the minimum viscosity. Make sure that all the lifters are rotating when you're running the engine, you'll know because if the pushrods are rotating, the lifters are, and if the pushrods are not rotating, the lifters are not, and failure is imminent. Several rocker arm companies make break in rocker arms with low ratios. They're worth it.

randy wilson 02-04-2017 02:15 PM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 525941)
Tool steel lifters are fine on cast cores. You simply can't run DLC coated lifters on cast cores.

Remember that break in is absolutely critical, you need to be sure the engine can start instantly, go to 2,000 to 3,000 RPM immediately, and stay there for at least 30 minutes. Pre oil the engine, make absolutely certain that you generate good oil pressure, and do not stop until oil is present through the pushrod at every single rocker arm. Be wary of any oiling issues, if it seems like it is taking too long to get oil to the rocker arms, it probably is. You should not exceed 250 pounds OPEN pressure during BREAK IN, 200 pounds is fine, but do not exceed 3,000 RPM with lower than race ready spring pressure. Use a premium quality break in oil, 30W is the minimum viscosity. Make sure that all the lifters are rotating when you're running the engine, you'll know because if the pushrods are rotating, the lifters are, and if the pushrods are not rotating, the lifters are not, and failure is imminent. Several rocker arm companies make break in rocker arms with low ratios. They're worth it.

This^

mcashman 02-06-2017 10:49 PM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
Thank you for break in process , so it's legal to run a solid lifter ? Is there any hp gain?

Coleydog 02-06-2017 11:34 PM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcashman (Post 526158)
Thank you for break in process , so it's legal to run a solid lifter ? Is there any hp gain?

Not sure but maybe higher RPM

James L Miller 02-07-2017 01:02 AM

Re: Cam vs lifter question
 
SECTION
10A
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STOCK, ENGINE:
1, CAMSHAFT/LIFTERS (Page 2)
(12/5/2016)
(1/12/2017)
Camshaft must retain stock lift for horsepower claimed per NHRA Technical
Bulletins. Front wheel drive vehicles and stock trucks, maximum lift is limited to
.430 inch or OEM, whichever is greater. Aftermarket OEM type replacement
lifters permitted. Solid lifter may replace hydraulic. Flat tappet may not be
replaced with roller. Lift checked at valve retainer, with zero lash. Hydraulic lifter
cam will be checked with pushrod and rocker as run, plus solid lifter, at zero lash.
Plunger height of checking lifter will match extended height (no preload) of
hydraulic lifter. Hydraulic lifter may not be plugged or bottomed. Aftermarket gear
drives/belts prohibited. Aftermarket timing covers permitted as long as OEM
type timing gears are used. Adjustable pushrods or adjustable OEM rocker arms (not
both) permitted; must be same or greater weight as stock. Pushrod guide plates
permitted. Cylinder head may be clearanced for larger diameter pushrods.


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