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Dick Butler 08-10-2007 12:08 PM

NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
1) Stock needs to have A lighter by 1 lb/
2) Stock needs serious re consolidation of classes to decrease bye runs due to too few cars per class.
3) SS needs a lighter GT class . Start at 6 like SS .OR
4) Consolidate SS and GT classes to reduce classes( pre 80s cars run 50 lb lighter in classes)
5) Trucks and FWD in with regular classes.
6) consider Mod classes to Comp. They are not lb per HP.no tear down. Open rules fit Comp better.
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Chuck Beach 08-10-2007 12:31 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Look at all the bye runs for class at BRAINERD .... 2 things wrong here:
1) NHRA only allowing 70 entries (which they didn't fill) all national events that have class for stock or super stock should allow a minimum of 150 entries.
2) nothing against BRAINERD, but why do you have class at a track that is so remote or far away from most racers ?? You can't have class run offs if you don't allow or have the car count ....

Dick Butler 08-10-2007 01:02 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Bye runs for class should be the exception not a high %. No ones fault just the way the structure has developed with time and spread of cars and classes. Many think racing someone is important to save. Condensing the racers in to fewer classes is "one "way to accomplish this. If some feel running Open events without "any 'heads up is okay then what is next? No more class at all?
Disclaimer: Opinion of hard core class supporter who started when winning class WAS the GOAL.

KSA4300 08-10-2007 01:04 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Some pretty good ideas, but I must dissagree with 2 of them. Consolidation in stock would be good in looking at it from the stand point of less buy runs, but what about the classes that already have 10 cars or so. A/B would have a ton F/G, H/I, these classes might have 20 cars per race, which is good if youre fast, got lots of money, or like gettin spanked before 3rd round every race! Youre goin to keep alot of people from havin any fun at even a divisional race!

And the same for superstock, as messed up as the horsepower system is, you cant combine gt/ss. The same motors have different ratings, in different cars, in the same class. Thats a can of worms that nobody wants to get in to!

But I do like the idea of a faster stock class, and faster gt class. You could have some really cool combos in a 6.0 GT class! And a AA/SA class would be neat, but looking at IHRA there really not that popular or much faster than most A/SA cars. But would be a faster, bigger wheelstand, new combo class!

Something I would like to see done, though no one else will agree, is a change in the hp system! Instead of punishing the whole combo/class, make it per driver/car. I know this could have a ton of catches, it might keep the little guy in the race while making for better heads-up racing!

Harry 6674 08-10-2007 01:25 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Hey Dick there was a time when you had to win class to run in the eliminations and shoe polish was for shoes. Hard work was rewarded, it's not all about the money in all classes. Damn I mentioned the shoe word again. It rates right with throttle stops a delay boxes with me but I am way outnumbered. Oh well.

Dick Butler 08-10-2007 02:12 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
KSA Good points about the already Big classes. Could combining be based on numbers currently in class? I think the simpler it is the better.
My thought about HP is all motors get the highest HP rating currently used and everyone is the same.The Hp per body is a false way to rate it. Same motor =Same HP.
If you hook the hp to the driver it would be even worse can of worms in my opinion.
Someone suggested adding wt to winner for the rest of season if they were .1 or.2 faster than runner up?Interesting idea.

Dick Butler 08-10-2007 02:25 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
KSA Good points about the already Big classes. Could combining be based on numbers currently in class? I think the simpler it is the better.
My thought about HP is all motors get the highest HP rating currently used and everyone is the same.The Hp per body is a false way to rate it. Same motor =Same HP.
If you hook the hp to the driver it would be even worse can of worms in my opinion.
Someone suggested adding wt to winner for the rest of season if they were .1 or.2 faster than runner up?Interesting idea.

larry dowty 08-10-2007 02:39 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
DICK i think NHRA is the thinking in another direction more towards modified type cars no tear down at all, they dont have the time or resources to tear down except at a few races anymore,

Jim Wahl 08-10-2007 03:39 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Dick, With all due respect, keep FWD cars out of your grand agenda! We have been **** on since 1988. If you remember there were 14 FWD classes and now even after a lot of begging and dealing there are but 5! Leave us out of it, we have paid the price. I personally like being different, and having a different combo. Just because my FWD car doesn't go 10.0 doesn't make it any less fun for me. FWD would never survive in RWD classes, that's why they made FWD classes to begin with.

The first thing to do if you must reduce classes is to combine FI and Carb classes. The classes and indexes are practically mirror images of themselves anyway.

I agree Modified car belong in Comp. It's dumb for them to have two eliminators to run it! Jim

Dennis P Chapman 08-10-2007 03:50 PM

Re: NHRA changes needed for next year-add on
 
Well said Jim leave FWD cars alone I like it the way it is.
Dennis
Stock FWD


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