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This thread is just for Ed O'Brien, so we don't fill up other threads. :D

>> Do you really think there are people that can cut better lights week in and week out than S/C racers with cars built with soft converters and delay boxes ?

Which S/C drivers? Yes, there are people that can cut better lights week in and week out than some S/C racers. (Delay boxes, I understand, but I'm not sure where soft converters enter into it...)

What's the season average reaction time for an average S/C racer?

Yup, IHRA caught one Stocker guy and one Modified guy. I don't really think cheating is rampant. I do think there are some guys who have some things figured out that other people haven't even thought of yet.

Just my opinion.

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According to "the Racers Mind" work book I have these are the following Averages: Stock .0296, Super Gas .0196, Super Comp .0186, Super Stock .0318, Pro Stock .039


Travis Sorokie
5919 SS/KA

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I think he's talking about the infamous "dirty dozen" banned from " NORWALK "

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it was to my understanding that some returned and raced at norwalk earlier this year!

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From what I was told Mr Bader was not vey happy
about it.I WONder what NHRA did or said to him about the situation?


Ed F.
NHRA #15
IHRA #1945
T/SA

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>> According to "the Racers Mind" work book I have these are the following Averages: Stock .0296, Super Gas .0196, Super Comp .0186, Super Stock .0318, Pro Stock .039

Hm! I find some of those numbers very surprising. Did it say what the sample group was, or how those averages were derived? Glad you found that. Pretty interesting.

For what it's worth Ed, the year I footbraked in Super/Pro, my season average was an .017, just under the noted Super Comp average above. I'm sure there are plenty of guys sharper than I on the tree.

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We have R.T.'s published(from drag race central) data from the last few years. Those with 80 or so minimum hits are

Peter Biondo.. .025 avg. .... .062 worst lite
Clint Blezien... .034
Al Corda........ .039
Bernie Cunningham .030
Mark Faul..... .029.... 44 events
Dan Fletcher... .028.... 192 lights.... 47 events
Kevin Helms.... .031
Clark Holroyd.. .037..... 2 reds
Jody Lang .... .025... with ZERO redlights!!!... 29 events
Tody Lang ..... .028 .... 3 reds
Chad Loge.... .045
Keith Lynch.... .049
James Paul.... .025... 2 reds....060.. worst lite!
David Rampy..... .033... 44 events
Eric Waldo..... .039
Steve Wann..... .047
Ben Wentzel......047 .... 2 reds
Mickey Whaley... .040... 2 reds..
Lee Zane......... .022... 4 reds... 40 events

This average was the result of ALL published r.t.'s. Some probably shouldn't have been included, but oh well.
Many times the first two rounds info wasn't published. Maybe Nitro Joe can get more info. Our owner LIKES DATA!!!

These were some of the best with a large number of hits. I have no idea where "The Racers Mind" got their numbers.

Many more could have been included with 60 or more "hit's" but I wasn't typing them all.

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Red lights were not included in the average. These were some of the lesser number of redlights.

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It would be interesting to see the averages from 5 years ago compared to 2007,,may give me a winter project to try and average RT of stock at the nationals In Nhra from 2002 and then do the same from 2007,,,,,,Im guessing,,,(((and this is just a guess))) after prior studying of past RT`s that I will find a solid .03 decrease in RT`s from 2002 compared to 2007`s,,,,,,,,and I would just about bet that the S/C would not have increased any,,,,,,,,, I know this may belong on the other topic BUT,, if that statement would turn out to be true,,,,My assumptions on the 2 steps would be accurate

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Isaac, that's some pretty cool sh** !! I've been saying for a while now just how good the Stk/SS crowd has gotten with reacts, ya look at the Sunday eliminations and you'll see just how we've EVOLVED, even beating the box guys.

Tim, that's a lot of work but I can say right now, LED's, it's got nothing to do with your witch hunt. The box guy's just take out more delay and we all got better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Two steps have been around for ages, c'mon be fair with your think'in. You need something else to do. LOL

What happened 10-15-20 years ago has nothing to do with what happens now, it's called EVOLUTION, I believe the opposite would put us back in the stone age, we'll continue to use technology whether YOU like it or not !!! Keep up or light your fires with a flint.

I think that this years Reading race was the best collection of reacts I've ever seen ! A great contest if I've ever seen one!
B