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e vassar 03-25-2021 08:21 AM

F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
36lb injectors at 50 psi or 42lb injectors at 40 psi . If I am able to achieve an optimal A/F either way...which will produce more power and greater consistency? Either? My theory is the higher pressure going through the smaller orifice will produce a finer mist..or better atomization which is always better? Or not?

Stan Weiss 03-25-2021 10:27 AM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Has anyone looked at say running the 42 lb injector at say 55 PSI which would have a reduced pulse width / duty cycle verses the 36 lb injector at 50 PSI?

Stan

Pierce Jones 03-25-2021 10:53 AM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
I run my 24 lbs injectors at 70 psi. Theory is the injector acts larger and high pressure atomizes fuel better. I believe Ed Wright posted on this topic in the past.

e vassar 03-25-2021 11:44 AM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 637416)
Has anyone looked at say running the 42 lb injector at say 55 PSI which would have a reduced pulse width / duty cycle verses the 36 lb injector at 50 PSI?

Stan

So turn the pressure back up to 50 and shorten the duration cycle?

Stan Weiss 03-25-2021 12:11 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by e vassar (Post 637429)
So turn the pressure back up to 50 and shorten the duration cycle?


Yes, as you increase the fuel pressure the injector flow rate increases. But if fuel needed has not changed then you need to short / decrease the amount of time that fuel is flowing.

Stan

KRatcliff 03-25-2021 12:48 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 637416)
Has anyone looked at say running the 42 lb injector at say 55 PSI which would have a reduced pulse width / duty cycle verses the 36 lb injector at 50 PSI?

Stan

Yes, that is definitely the right direction based on our experience. Larger injectors, higher FP (50 psi minimum), and reduced pulse width.


YMMV.

Stan Weiss 03-25-2021 02:17 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KRatcliff (Post 637437)
Yes, that is definitely the right direction based on our experience. Larger injectors, higher FP (50 psi minimum), and reduced pulse width.


YMMV.


Does your ECU let you control an individual injector's flow position in the 720 degree cycle?

Stan

Bobby Fazio 03-25-2021 04:45 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
I've been wondering this also. An oversized injector to get down to a low pulse width duty cycle? This is beneficial if you can phase the injector to spray at optimal time. Or a smaller injector with higher pressure for higher mist and atomization but it stays open longer and could be spraying at a closed valve.

Pierce Jones 03-25-2021 05:55 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Looking at a data log, my injectors (24 lbs/hr) are open 7.7msec (88% duty cycle) at 7000RPM (42 deg/msec). The intake has 308 deg dur @ .020”. So injectors are open 323 degrees of rotation and in my case spraying at a closed intake valve.

Not sure if any would be gained by a 36 lbs/hr etc.

Stan Weiss 03-25-2021 06:44 PM

Re: F.I. fuel pressure theories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierce Jones (Post 637451)
Looking at a data log, my injectors (24 lbs/hr) are open 7.7msec (88% duty cycle) at 7000RPM (42 deg/msec). The intake has 308 deg dur @ .020”. So injectors are open 323 degrees of rotation and in my case spraying at a closed intake valve.

Not sure if any would be gained by a 36 lbs/hr etc.


One crank rotation @ 7000 RPM is ► 1 / (7000 / 60) = 0.008571 of a second

My understanding of Duty Cycle is it is the percent of open time against 2 crank rotations (720 degrees).

1) @ 7000 RPM @ 7.7 Mill seconds pulse width I get 44.9% Duty Cycle

2) @ 7000 RPM @ 88% Duty Cycle I get 15.0857 Mill seconds pulse width

I don't know what your engine BSFC or HP is. But a 24lb injector running at its rated PSI, if I guess .45 BSFC and 375 HP, that would 2# above.

Stan


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