Art said, "Bill Bill Bill. You need to do more fact checking and a little less pounding on the keys. After all the rants about the "turbo dodges" .... etc., etc,. etc..."
And, I replied, "Art, Art, Art... (I'm not half-blind anymore, after my recent cataract surgery, so I now recognize my name when I see it, even if I only see it ONCE... lol!) I don't know what you're getting at. I was never advocating that these new Mustangs NOT be included in the Classification Guide, regardless of whether they were FORD Mustangs, or Roush Mustangs. My contention was that if they ~are~ ROUSH Mustangs, they are, as Bruce contends, "aftermarket" cars, and not "Stock Eliminator" material, regardless of the deal that was worked out for the Shelby-constructed turbo Chargers. It says in the rulebook that on a deal like that, "acceptance will NOT imply precedent." (the capitalization is mine.) I would think that they more appropriately belong in Super Stock with the Thunderbolts, etc., since those cars, along with the S/S Hemi 'Cudas and Darts were built "offsite," too., and were not OEM assembly-line cars"
Art also said, "Chrylser sent these plain Omni's to Caroll Shelby's plant. Shelby installed the turbos, intercoolers, radiators, interiors, Etc.The cars were numbered cars and most of them were titled as "Shelby's not Dodges. I'm sure there are other cases similar to this. I'm not an expert. And I'm no longer in stock eliminator.
If these cars go out and fly. Maybe nhra will hit them with a 9% horsepower increase (Art Leong AHFS rule) at one time like they did to me.
Let the cars run then lets see what happens."
And, I replied, "Well, I'm sorry you got hit with such so much horsepower, and all at once; 9% is a whale of an increase!!! I can't see NHRA doing that to these cars, though.... too much in the way of "politics" involved.
The only problem I have with this whole deal is this: ~IF~ NHRA de-factors that 700hp car to a figure that will allow it into Stock Eliminator (at 700hp it would have to weigh 5,250 pounds.... not gonna happen for several reasons), I think its performance capability would render everyone else in that class a moot point. De-factoring of engines works to a degree, with over-stated outputs (like with pre-72 cars that were rated with an SAE number for GROSS HP), but that is not the case, here. I'd bet that this is a bonafide 700HP mill, or Ford/Roush wouldn't have clamed the number. It would be of NO benefit to them, to over-state the output. As such, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what NHRA tries to do with the car. You know that there are guys out there (and, some on this board, and, you're probably one of them) that can, and will, add another 150HP to that 700 number, if the time comes, and they have the opportunity."
Then, I added... "One thing is certain; no amount of ~my~ input is going to make NHRA do ANYTHING they don't want to do... I might as well be talking to a wall. But discussion boards serve a purpose in allowing idiots like myself to rant about whatever, and sometimes good ideas come of it.... sometimes."
And, finally, I continued, "Thanks for listening, Art, and good luck with your Super Stocker; it looks awesome! I love innovative cars. My own "race car" (daily driver, with ~some~ bracket activity) is a Vortech-inspired 360 Magnum-powered '72 Valiant 4-door sedan. Is that weird enough for you? LOL! People think it's an old taxi... one guy said, "Hey, that's a Joe Friday car!"
Bill