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GUMP · 02-26-2009, 06:55 AM

It really amazes me how one sided some of you guys are about the new cars. As someone who has built several late model cars to run Stock, I can tell you that I would much rather start with a car like the Cobra Jet or the Challenger Super Stock. I have seen both cars and feel that they are perfect to run Stock. I think that it is absolutely great that the factories are even thinking about building cars that can run Stock let alone actually building them. I will agree that the rules have been changed over the years to allow the companies to submit combinations that fit their marketing plans, but isn't that exactly what Stock Eliminator has always been about? It has never been about protecting 40 year old cars. You also need to keep in mind that todays stockers are a whole lot more like an earlier Super Stock car. The current Super Stock cars are more like the early Pro Stocks. So, really these cars are a natural growth of the class.

The Cobra Jet haters are now saying that they are 100-150 factored horse power soft. They are soft for sure, but they have done nothing that suggests that they are that soft. These cars fit the printed rules in every way. Super charged combinations have been legal for Stock since the 1950's. These cars are no different than the ZL1 Camaro that is legal for the same class. They are ringers that had one goal in mind. Good for Ford!

In regards to the LT1 and LS1 HP numbers, you really need to keep in mind that both cars came with really mild camshafts from the factory. The LT1 was 201/208 @ .050" and the LS1 was 198/209 @ .050". The heads on both of these motors are vastly superior to any stock small block casting that came before them. It doesn't take a much to figure out why they run what they run. If you actually were to look up the stock dyno numbers on these cars you would know that they are pretty close to legit.

I really wonder what it took to bring these special cars to market? I will bet that it wasn't easy. Maybe we should let them have the spot light for a while. It might even help Ford sell a few Mustangs. In this economic environment that would probably be good for all of us.

02-26-2009, 06:55 AM	#8
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,832 Likes: 2,192 Liked 2,364 Times in 560 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? It really amazes me how one sided some of you guys are about the new cars. As someone who has built several late model cars to run Stock, I can tell you that I would much rather start with a car like the Cobra Jet or the Challenger Super Stock. I have seen both cars and feel that they are perfect to run Stock. I think that it is absolutely great that the factories are even thinking about building cars that can run Stock let alone actually building them. I will agree that the rules have been changed over the years to allow the companies to submit combinations that fit their marketing plans, but isn't that exactly what Stock Eliminator has always been about? It has never been about protecting 40 year old cars. You also need to keep in mind that todays stockers are a whole lot more like an earlier Super Stock car. The current Super Stock cars are more like the early Pro Stocks. So, really these cars are a natural growth of the class. The Cobra Jet haters are now saying that they are 100-150 factored horse power soft. They are soft for sure, but they have done nothing that suggests that they are that soft. These cars fit the printed rules in every way. Super charged combinations have been legal for Stock since the 1950's. These cars are no different than the ZL1 Camaro that is legal for the same class. They are ringers that had one goal in mind. Good for Ford! In regards to the LT1 and LS1 HP numbers, you really need to keep in mind that both cars came with really mild camshafts from the factory. The LT1 was 201/208 @ .050" and the LS1 was 198/209 @ .050". The heads on both of these motors are vastly superior to any stock small block casting that came before them. It doesn't take a much to figure out why they run what they run. If you actually were to look up the stock dyno numbers on these cars you would know that they are pretty close to legit. I really wonder what it took to bring these special cars to market? I will bet that it wasn't easy. Maybe we should let them have the spot light for a while. It might even help Ford sell a few Mustangs. In this economic environment that would probably be good for all of us. Last edited by GUMP; 02-26-2009 at 07:03 AM.