[jmcarter]

I've heard the better route for pulling is to continue on to Flagstaff on I-40 and then go south on I-17...sounds like there may be some merit to that. Ever notice steep grade warnings seldom read more than 6% and you just know that's not right when smoke is boiling off the brakes despite your jake brake, downshifting, etc???

X2 on Toby's pics....spent many years in the Pacific Northwest, great memories, including the 195 mile relay race from Mt Hood to Seaside OR....well, the party at the end of the run was fun anyway.

Best of luck Larry and Patsy, if I don't get in at Vegas I'll stop by your shop when I'm in Kentucky this winter and say hello.