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john corcoran jr · 09-20-2012, 02:58 PM

Marvin Marvin Marvin,
You are forcing me to respond to this. ASAP and NHRA are mutually exclusive terms not to be used in the same sentence EVER. We do have a racer and NHRA committee. It is called the SRAC. You Division 3 rep. is Jeff Taylor, you could always voice your concerns with him or NHRA directly with your Div. 3 NHRA contacts.
In Point 1A, who is going to do the legwork on that project? The Classification guide goes back to 1955. NHRA is not going to spend that kind of time or money on that. It would be easier to police the new cars than to review every possible combo.
In Point 2 you want FI cars in their own classes but in Point 4 you say more classes will dilute the category. Please make up my mind for me.
On Point 2A we actually agree, supercharged cars shouls be in their own class, just like in Comp. eliminator.
Point 3, why? If you are taking the same amount off of each index, all it does is changes the number on paper. Indexes have been softened and then later dropped and the world keeps turning. The .8-1.2 under used to be 1.2-1.5 under, it really doesn't change the price of VP fuel does it?
Theoretically with all of the component upgrades allowed ( unlimited cam duration, unlimited spring pressure, light weight brakes, fuel cells, 1000 gal./ hr fuel pumps) every active combo should come up for review in the AHFS. Hmmmm, something is wrong, that hasn't happened yet.
Here is my two cents:
1. Get rid of the fastest 128 car rule for qualifying. Let the class winners seed the field and then fill in the remainder with the fastest againt their index. Just like it used to be. Foster creativity and let people scour the Classification Guide instead of competing with cubic money. Then the latest trick car of the week club can run each other hard enough to win class to get in the field and sort out the HP factors quicker.
2. The easy answer is to split the carb and FI cars, but what about the FI racers that have their factors set realistically? Then they are the ones getting pounded by the new cars. My idea would be to put the new cars in their own classes until the HP factors are settled. Use something like the rule in Pro Stock, current year to 3-5 year old cars. After that, the go in the regular classes with everone else. You aren't creating a whole bunch of new classes because I don't see the Big 3 making and 15 or 20lb/hp cars any time soon. You can still have a Factory Shootout to showcase the new stuff, it just won't be heads-up.

P.S. Marv, I will be out visiting Alex on Friday. Maybe we can get together and settle up for the dancers, escorts, and adult beverages from the Indy trip.
Thanks,
John
P.P.S. It's a good thing your wife doesn't read these posts.

09-20-2012, 02:58 PM	#95
john corcoran jr Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: darien, il Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. Marvin Marvin Marvin, You are forcing me to respond to this. ASAP and NHRA are mutually exclusive terms not to be used in the same sentence EVER. We do have a racer and NHRA committee. It is called the SRAC. You Division 3 rep. is Jeff Taylor, you could always voice your concerns with him or NHRA directly with your Div. 3 NHRA contacts. In Point 1A, who is going to do the legwork on that project? The Classification guide goes back to 1955. NHRA is not going to spend that kind of time or money on that. It would be easier to police the new cars than to review every possible combo. In Point 2 you want FI cars in their own classes but in Point 4 you say more classes will dilute the category. Please make up my mind for me. On Point 2A we actually agree, supercharged cars shouls be in their own class, just like in Comp. eliminator. Point 3, why? If you are taking the same amount off of each index, all it does is changes the number on paper. Indexes have been softened and then later dropped and the world keeps turning. The .8-1.2 under used to be 1.2-1.5 under, it really doesn't change the price of VP fuel does it? Theoretically with all of the component upgrades allowed ( unlimited cam duration, unlimited spring pressure, light weight brakes, fuel cells, 1000 gal./ hr fuel pumps) every active combo should come up for review in the AHFS. Hmmmm, something is wrong, that hasn't happened yet. Here is my two cents: 1. Get rid of the fastest 128 car rule for qualifying. Let the class winners seed the field and then fill in the remainder with the fastest againt their index. Just like it used to be. Foster creativity and let people scour the Classification Guide instead of competing with cubic money. Then the latest trick car of the week club can run each other hard enough to win class to get in the field and sort out the HP factors quicker. 2. The easy answer is to split the carb and FI cars, but what about the FI racers that have their factors set realistically? Then they are the ones getting pounded by the new cars. My idea would be to put the new cars in their own classes until the HP factors are settled. Use something like the rule in Pro Stock, current year to 3-5 year old cars. After that, the go in the regular classes with everone else. You aren't creating a whole bunch of new classes because I don't see the Big 3 making and 15 or 20lb/hp cars any time soon. You can still have a Factory Shootout to showcase the new stuff, it just won't be heads-up. P.S. Marv, I will be out visiting Alex on Friday. Maybe we can get together and settle up for the dancers, escorts, and adult beverages from the Indy trip. Thanks, John P.P.S. It's a good thing your wife doesn't read these posts.