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Originally Posted by Herbie Null
Byron, the same people complaining have been running the same ETs for the last 30 years, with all the aftermarket parts now you would think they would run better. No reason a 350/318 combo shouldn’t run like Wagner’s or Gaffeny’s ����*♂️
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Herbie - shouldn't be hitting the key board late at nite
. We have never run Em on kill at an NHRA event so how does anyone know how fast Em can go nor does anyone know what parts are in it. Just an FYI, both Lincoln's L98 - which is prob the fastest out of the L98 group and EM's 350/300 come out of the same shop. Both have the ability to make the same power. Only difference between the two engines is 2 cc in the combustion chamber. Not sure how that warrants a 400 pound difference at a 10# break. Can we make some improvements? Absolutely! Would it be smart or stupid to spend $xx dollars to pick up a .05-.1 only to still be behind the L98 by .3? If you think so lend me the cash.
BTW - Gaffney (rinehart) could only mustard a .90 run this year at Indy. Brian - good job and congrats on Jegs win - was 1.10 under and I'm guessing, not on kill.
Last year, the Gaffney was .4 behind the fast guys if memory serves me right.
Moving on. Missed the point of this thread.
The racer(s) are not the issue in my opinion unless they are willfully cheating which is different than pushing the rules and taking advantage of what is in place. Grateful that NHRA is checking the car in the other lane and hope they continue to do so. Neither of you are cheaters, nor have I ever seen either of you chase a slower car on the Q sheet.
The issue is the in-effectiveness of the AHFS. Back when, you would show up at a race to find out you received HP. Very subjective. Not sure it wasn't better because out-of-line combos were corrected in a short period of time.
Since 2008, AHFS has not been effective, in my opinion.
Appears NHRA either over reacts or doesn't react when they should for whatever reason. Ex: Overreacting by giving Larry Hill 29 hp at one shot.
The hemi's dominated the Q sheet at Indy one year. Made up many of the top 30 spots. AHFS kicked in and brought them back. Maybe too much. NHRA knee jerked couple years back and gave them index back making them competitive again.
Modified cars dominated another year. They got whacked and for the most part haven't recovered.
They system worked to a point. Was it perfect? No. Did it need human input? Yes. If 1 racer is blistering the track and the others are not then maybe the engine should not receive power. If they're all hot, maybe they need to be brought back to a competitive level, not a death sentence.
The L98 - used as example only - has been running without at adjustments for over 10 years. There are many others the same way w other OEMS's.
Nobody wants HP unless your dumb. I get it. Just want a somewhat level playing field which is one of the basis for class racing and why we run off of indexes.
Maybe they should place all the fuel injected cars in the same eliminator like they did with stock back when. There are many solutions without stirring the fish bowl and killings all the fish.