Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe
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Continuing to race results:
Winter:
IIRC the 60 Pontiac G/SA Douglas & Forys was a 389/318-6v wagon, fits class almost exactly. Those tripower Pontiacs weren't all GTOs!
I have down that Cossey won A/S but will check again. Yup, my sheet is clearly showing Cossey, 12.35 at 113.92. OK I read the notes down below. Great story!
SPRING
IIRC the 62 421 SuperDuty was “rated” at 405hp. (As If). And never factored., as with so many 50s & early 60s engines.
INDY
Amazingly, the 396/375hp L78 was still running unfactored at 375hp that year. Near as I can Gonkulate, the L78 left the factory making about 415 gross hp in the Camaro/Chevelle, vs maybe 435hp in the Vette/Impala when it first came out in 1965 “rated” at 425hp. I think it was a little unfair of NHRA to factor the L78 up to 425hp in 1968 but I bet that 1965 big-car rating with the better exhaust iron was their basis.
NOTES:
Ed Terry’s car in the picture is a little dark but does look like a 66 from the trim – the text says both 66 and 67. Maybe somebody knows for sure. The 66 & 67 Fairlanes were twins except for trim, grille, taillights, etc.
Jenkins – SS/C win should be Spring not Winter?
Garey should be a 66 Olds W30, in SS/E=9.50 (Kempton won SS/EA). The 66 or 67 W30 would also run in B/S=9.50. However, per (Boyce, pg47) NHRA wouldn’t let the 66 W30 run in stock class after learning that so few were made (54 total) and all went to racers, none sold to normal people. Ok, well, that didn’t come out right. I’m not sure just when the 66 W30 got banished from stock class though since it’s still listed as a record holder in Sept 1967 B/S=9.50 class. Maybe NHRA let the record stand but the 66 W30 could only run in SS/E=9.50 after that.
BTW, curious why you’d say that “on paper” the 66 W30 would take a back seat to the 67 GTX? Both cars are near identical Lb/HP, the 66 W30 at W/P=9.59 and the 67 GTX at W/P=9.61, plus the W30 had cold air (OAI). I’d say on paper, I’d give the win to the W30. Of course, as time went by, the 440 got a lot more SuperStock parts (intakes & cams) so the W30 SuperStock wins became more rare.
Yes, as already noted, should say the 67 GTO came with a new 400, not 66 GTO. Also same comment, the GTO ran in SS/E=9.50 or B/S=9.50, not E/S.
“The 66 GTO came with a new 400cui motor and like the Olds, appeared outgunned in SS /E or E/Stock. Pontiac had less success in class or eliminations…”
I had GUESSED that Sargi won B/SA=9.50 with a 67 GTO but the sheet just says “Pontiac”, not very informative. The only other likely winner would be a 61 SuperDuty 389/368hp. Does anybody know?
Also, again I’m not sure why the 67 RamAir1 would look outclassed – when I Gonkulate the B/SA=9.50 class for 1967, the RamAir1 comes out very competitive with the other contenders – W30, 427 LTD, Fury 383/343, a super competitive class. Seems Wt/HP=9.50 was sort of the “Muscle Car” class back then.
“however a 58 , a 60 and a 62 model still featured in Stock class finals.”
Do you know what cars/classes those 58, 60, 62 Pontiacs won? I’m still guessing parts of 67 Winter because the sheets don’t give the car year!
NOTES: FORD:
The 66-67 Fairlanes were doggone near identical cars in weight – only taillights, headlights, side trim differed.
Classes were determined by the engine and the cold air hood.
SS/B=7.00 ran the cold air 427/425-8v engine, factored to about 460-465hp by NHRA.
SS/C=7.70 ran the cold air 427/410-4v engine, factored to about 435hp by NHRA. That combo disappeared for 1968 – none were built that way anyway.
That’s my CURRENT understanding of the Fairlane 427 saga.
MOPAR:
I didn’t know AA/S=7.00 class returned for 1967! What were the rules? Could you still run any intake, any cam as in 1965-66? I don’t see AA/S listed in any of the win or record sheets for 1967?
All in all a great read, thanks very much for writing this stuff up. I hope some of the folks who were there read it & we can get the history down. It will never be repeated!
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