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Rat Patrol · 09-19-2021, 04:14 AM

IIRC the 60 Pontiac G/SA Douglas & Forys was a 389/318-6v wagon, fits class almost exactly. Those tripower Pontiacs weren't all GTOs! - CHANGED

I have down that Cossey won A/S but will check again. Yup, my sheet is clearly showing Cossey, 12.35 at 113.92. OK I read the notes down below. Great story! - A/S in 66, B/S in 67, A/S in 68

SPRING
IIRC the 62 421 SuperDuty was “rated” at 405hp. (As If). And never factored., as with so many 50s & early 60s engines. - CORRECT - 410hp were the 13.5:1 63s

INDY
Amazingly, the 396/375hp L78 was still running unfactored at 375hp that year. Near as I can Gonkulate, the L78 left the factory making about 415 gross hp in the Camaro/Chevelle, vs maybe 435hp in the Vette/Impala when it first came out in 1965 “rated” at 425hp. I think it was a little unfair of NHRA to factor the L78 up to 425hp in 1968 but I bet that 1965 big-car rating with the better exhaust iron was their basis.

NOTES:
Ed Terry’s car in the picture is a little dark but does look like a 66 from the trim – the text says both 66 and 67. Maybe somebody knows for sure. The 66 & 67 Fairlanes were twins except for trim, grille, taillights, etc.-

PAUL CEASRINE DEBATES THIS ON THE 1966 SuperStock Nationals thread. He claims the 67s were heavier. Thus the difference in class.

Jenkins – SS/C win should be Spring not Winter? No - According to Ed Miller, Jenkins fouled out 1st round in class run offs and sold his motor to Vasquez to complete the SS/C class.

Garey should be a 66 Olds W30, in SS/E=9.50- It is captioned in that class.

BTW, curious why you’d say that “on paper” the 66 W30 would take a back seat to the 67 GTX? Both cars are near identical Lb/HP, the 66 W30 at W/P=9.59 and the 67 GTX at W/P=9.61, plus the W30 had cold air (OAI). I’d say on paper, I’d give the win to the W30. Of course, as time went by, the 440 got a lot more SuperStock parts (intakes & cams) so the W30 SuperStock wins became more rare.- Street reputation. But I believe I was thinking about the hemi GTX in SS/D.

Yes, as already noted, should say the 67 GTO came with a new 400, not 66 GTO. Also same comment, the GTO ran in SS/E=9.50 or B/S=9.50, not E/S.- FIXED

“The 66 GTO came with a new 400cui motor and like the Olds, appeared outgunned in SS /E or E/Stock. Pontiac had less success in class or eliminations…”

I had GUESSED that Sargi won B/SA=9.50 with a 67 GTO but the sheet just says “Pontiac”, not very informative. The only other likely winner would be a 61 SuperDuty 389/368hp. Does anybody know? - UNKNOWN

Also, again I’m not sure why the 67 RamAir1 would look outclassed – when I Gonkulate the B/SA=9.50 class for 1967, the RamAir1 comes out very competitive with the other contenders – W30, 427 LTD, Fury 383/343, a super competitive class. Seems Wt/HP=9.50 was sort of the “Muscle Car” class back then. - Again thinking hemi GTX

“however a 58 , a 60 and a 62 model still featured in Stock class finals.”

Do you know what cars/classes those 58, 60, 62 Pontiacs won? I’m still guessing parts of 67 Winter because the sheets don’t give the car year!

58 Jay Hamilton, 60 Douglas & Forys, 62 Ray McClelland

NOTES: FORD:
The 66-67 Fairlanes were doggone near identical cars in weight – only taillights, headlights, side trim differed.
Classes were determined by the engine and the cold air hood.
SS/B=7.00 ran the cold air 427/425-8v engine, factored to about 460-465hp by NHRA.
SS/C=7.70 ran the cold air 427/410-4v engine, factored to about 435hp by NHRA. That combo disappeared for 1968 – none were built that way anyway.

That’s my CURRENT understanding of the Fairlane 427 saga.

See my earlier comment re-Paul Ceasrine’s discussion

MOPAR:
I didn’t know AA/S=7.00 class returned for 1967! What were the rules? Could you still run any intake, any cam as in 1965-66? I don’t see AA/S listed in any of the win or record sheets for 1967?

One of the source texts. I agree this is puzzling, as both source books claim the class was held open...but Ive found no records of winners in either 66 or 67.

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Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 167 Likes: 66 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 IIRC the 60 Pontiac G/SA Douglas & Forys was a 389/318-6v wagon, fits class almost exactly. Those tripower Pontiacs weren't all GTOs! - CHANGED I have down that Cossey won A/S but will check again. Yup, my sheet is clearly showing Cossey, 12.35 at 113.92. OK I read the notes down below. Great story! - A/S in 66, B/S in 67, A/S in 68 SPRING IIRC the 62 421 SuperDuty was “rated” at 405hp. (As If). And never factored., as with so many 50s & early 60s engines. - CORRECT - 410hp were the 13.5:1 63s INDY Amazingly, the 396/375hp L78 was still running unfactored at 375hp that year. Near as I can Gonkulate, the L78 left the factory making about 415 gross hp in the Camaro/Chevelle, vs maybe 435hp in the Vette/Impala when it first came out in 1965 “rated” at 425hp. I think it was a little unfair of NHRA to factor the L78 up to 425hp in 1968 but I bet that 1965 big-car rating with the better exhaust iron was their basis. NOTES: Ed Terry’s car in the picture is a little dark but does look like a 66 from the trim – the text says both 66 and 67. Maybe somebody knows for sure. The 66 & 67 Fairlanes were twins except for trim, grille, taillights, etc.- PAUL CEASRINE DEBATES THIS ON THE 1966 SuperStock Nationals thread. He claims the 67s were heavier. Thus the difference in class. Jenkins – SS/C win should be Spring not Winter? No - According to Ed Miller, Jenkins fouled out 1st round in class run offs and sold his motor to Vasquez to complete the SS/C class. Garey should be a 66 Olds W30, in SS/E=9.50- It is captioned in that class. BTW, curious why you’d say that “on paper” the 66 W30 would take a back seat to the 67 GTX? Both cars are near identical Lb/HP, the 66 W30 at W/P=9.59 and the 67 GTX at W/P=9.61, plus the W30 had cold air (OAI). I’d say on paper, I’d give the win to the W30. Of course, as time went by, the 440 got a lot more SuperStock parts (intakes & cams) so the W30 SuperStock wins became more rare.- Street reputation. But I believe I was thinking about the hemi GTX in SS/D. Yes, as already noted, should say the 67 GTO came with a new 400, not 66 GTO. Also same comment, the GTO ran in SS/E=9.50 or B/S=9.50, not E/S.- FIXED “The 66 GTO came with a new 400cui motor and like the Olds, appeared outgunned in SS /E or E/Stock. Pontiac had less success in class or eliminations…” I had GUESSED that Sargi won B/SA=9.50 with a 67 GTO but the sheet just says “Pontiac”, not very informative. The only other likely winner would be a 61 SuperDuty 389/368hp. Does anybody know? - UNKNOWN Also, again I’m not sure why the 67 RamAir1 would look outclassed – when I Gonkulate the B/SA=9.50 class for 1967, the RamAir1 comes out very competitive with the other contenders – W30, 427 LTD, Fury 383/343, a super competitive class. Seems Wt/HP=9.50 was sort of the “Muscle Car” class back then. - Again thinking hemi GTX “however a 58 , a 60 and a 62 model still featured in Stock class finals.” Do you know what cars/classes those 58, 60, 62 Pontiacs won? I’m still guessing parts of 67 Winter because the sheets don’t give the car year! 58 Jay Hamilton, 60 Douglas & Forys, 62 Ray McClelland NOTES: FORD: The 66-67 Fairlanes were doggone near identical cars in weight – only taillights, headlights, side trim differed. Classes were determined by the engine and the cold air hood. SS/B=7.00 ran the cold air 427/425-8v engine, factored to about 460-465hp by NHRA. SS/C=7.70 ran the cold air 427/410-4v engine, factored to about 435hp by NHRA. That combo disappeared for 1968 – none were built that way anyway. That’s my CURRENT understanding of the Fairlane 427 saga. See my earlier comment re-Paul Ceasrine’s discussion MOPAR: I didn’t know AA/S=7.00 class returned for 1967! What were the rules? Could you still run any intake, any cam as in 1965-66? I don’t see AA/S listed in any of the win or record sheets for 1967? One of the source texts. I agree this is puzzling, as both source books claim the class was held open...but Ive found no records of winners in either 66 or 67.