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bill dedman · 10-03-2008, 11:36 PM

Jim,

.A clarification is in order, here.

Yes, I am concerned that the turbo cars qualify #1 so very often (a lot more than their numbers would suggest should be appropriate) in that, I don't think that a lot of the cars that get shunted out of a #1 spot are lesser race cars in terms of preparation and time spent on R & D, compared with the boosted cars that are gaining the @1 position. Why is 90+-percent of the field (the normally-aspirated cars) playing second-fiddle to two or three percent of the field, twenty-percent of the time???? Makes no logical sense to me...

That is just my opinion, however, and means nothing beyond that.

BUT, I am highly suspicious that the forced induction cars that so often run far enough under their indexes to qualify number one are doing it at boost levels never seen in the facrory dyno cells, during SAE-number testing for "advertised horsepower."

A telltale boost gauge on the car(s) in question would prove me wrong, IF I am wrong.

How else will we ever know?

So, it's a two-pronged question, but inexorably intertwined.

I hope that clears up my contention, here.

To save you some time, here is a list of turbocharged cars with the name of the race, ,driver's name, class, and qualifying "under the index" time. I've included both national events and a couple of Sportsnationals, because the Sportsnationals are truly "national events" for Sportsmen, and these are Sportsman cars.

I also included two instances wherein turbo cars qualified #1 and $2 because I thought that was significant, given the relative scarcity of turbos in Stock Eliminator.

For the year 2004:
Belle Rose Ed O'Brien B/FS -1.374
Bristol Marty Buth K/FIA -1.218
Brainerd Tom Brook A/FS -1.385

For the year 2005
Belle Rose Jim Wahl C/FS -1.422
(#2 Belle Rose Bob Shaw) U/SA - 1.337
Brainerd Tom Brook B/FS -1.229
Pomona II Bill Howell D/FS -1.457

For the year 2006
Pomona I . Bill Howell D/FS -1.383
Brainerd Chas. Blossom A/FS -1.248
Pomona II Herbert Pierce C/FS -1.347

For the year 2007
Pomona I Bill Howel C/FS -1.321
Denver Tom Brook B/FS -1.586 (!)
Indy Chas. Blossom A/FS -1.468
Indy (#2 Marty Buth) J FI/A -1.296
Hebron Spts Rob Lloyd C/FS --1.588
Fontana Spts Mark Yacavonne U/S -1.194

Okay, that's fourteen #1 qualified turbo cars and two #2 qualifiers (runners-up to other turbo cars) in the last four years.

You're right; that's not 20 percent, but it's over fifteen percent.

If fifteen percent of an average nationnal event's Stockers were turbo cars, there would be a LOT of turbo cars running; maybe 20-plus at Indy. Probably eight or ten at a smaller race, such as Brainerd.

There are not.

That is my point. Most national events will have possibly three or four turbo cars, but they qualify #1 over fifteeen percent of the time.

Not right....

HOW DO THEY DO IT???????

Boost.... Lots of it...

My 2-cents....

10-03-2008, 11:36 PM	#55
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: to all 85-92 efi racers Jim, .A clarification is in order, here. Yes, I am concerned that the turbo cars qualify #1 so very often (a lot more than their numbers would suggest should be appropriate) in that, I don't think that a lot of the cars that get shunted out of a #1 spot are lesser race cars in terms of preparation and time spent on R & D, compared with the boosted cars that are gaining the @1 position. Why is 90+-percent of the field (the normally-aspirated cars) playing second-fiddle to two or three percent of the field, twenty-percent of the time???? Makes no logical sense to me... That is just my opinion, however, and means nothing beyond that. BUT, I am highly suspicious that the forced induction cars that so often run far enough under their indexes to qualify number one are doing it at boost levels never seen in the facrory dyno cells, during SAE-number testing for "advertised horsepower." A telltale boost gauge on the car(s) in question would prove me wrong, IF I am wrong. How else will we ever know? So, it's a two-pronged question, but inexorably intertwined. I hope that clears up my contention, here. To save you some time, here is a list of turbocharged cars with the name of the race, ,driver's name, class, and qualifying "under the index" time. I've included both national events and a couple of Sportsnationals, because the Sportsnationals are truly "national events" for Sportsmen, and these are Sportsman cars. I also included two instances wherein turbo cars qualified #1 and $2 because I thought that was significant, given the relative scarcity of turbos in Stock Eliminator. For the year 2004: Belle Rose Ed O'Brien B/FS -1.374 Bristol Marty Buth K/FIA -1.218 Brainerd Tom Brook A/FS -1.385 For the year 2005 Belle Rose Jim Wahl C/FS -1.422 (#2 Belle Rose Bob Shaw) U/SA - 1.337 Brainerd Tom Brook B/FS -1.229 Pomona II Bill Howell D/FS -1.457 For the year 2006 Pomona I . Bill Howell D/FS -1.383 Brainerd Chas. Blossom A/FS -1.248 Pomona II Herbert Pierce C/FS -1.347 For the year 2007 Pomona I Bill Howel C/FS -1.321 Denver Tom Brook B/FS -1.586 (!) Indy Chas. Blossom A/FS -1.468 Indy (#2 Marty Buth) J FI/A -1.296 Hebron Spts Rob Lloyd C/FS --1.588 Fontana Spts Mark Yacavonne U/S -1.194 Okay, that's fourteen #1 qualified turbo cars and two #2 qualifiers (runners-up to other turbo cars) in the last four years. You're right; that's not 20 percent, but it's over fifteen percent. If fifteen percent of an average nationnal event's Stockers were turbo cars, there would be a LOT of turbo cars running; maybe 20-plus at Indy. Probably eight or ten at a smaller race, such as Brainerd. There are not. That is my point. Most national events will have possibly three or four turbo cars, but they qualify #1 over fifteeen percent of the time. Not right.... HOW DO THEY DO IT??????? Boost.... Lots of it... My 2-cents.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 10-04-2008 at 12:15 AM.