Stocker engine tech

RJ · 03-31-2009, 04:32 AM

The way stock is anymore (not stock at all), why not just simplify things a bit for ourselves and NHRA/IHRA tech? As long as the engine appears stock externally what's the difference anyway?

1. Check for correct head/manifold/carb casting numbers.
2. Pump the engine for correct cubic inches.
3. Whistle test for correct compression, does it really matter how (dome,flat,dish) you get it anyway?
4. Inspection plate on oil pan to verify correct crank/steel rods.
5. Pull valve covers to verify correct rockers.

Let's face it, in stock, there are already the following -

Casting number mods
Relocated lifter bores
Billet cams
Self casted intake manifolds
No hydraulic lifters anymore
Rings backcut to nothing
Bogus runner c.c. info
Bogus valve reliefs

How different would it REALLY be?

THE LEGEND · 03-31-2009, 05:39 AM

I got an idea.
Make it No electronics Bracket race Thats what you do anyhow. Anything goes just no power adders. On second thought that would never work because everyone would gripe about giving up their 2-steps.
Chip

Billy Nees · 03-31-2009, 06:14 AM

I've been telling the NHRA tech guys for years that they should just give up and make Stock Eliminator into "Stock Appearing Eliminator". If it's got 9" tires and a flat hood then it's stock, put a dial on it and race. No more class designations and no more class runoffs or heads up runs. If the "liberalization" and "ignorance" of the rules doesn't change then let's just do that and get it over with. I'll still be there but I won't like it.

Jack Matyas · 03-31-2009, 07:12 AM

Billy--- I could tell from your tone that you've been hanging out at Beaver Springs and running "Street Eliminator" again -- are you getting to like it ? ? This doesn't sound like the Billy I've known all these years.........Giving up ? ? I've always thought that you would have a class designation on your casket --was I wrong ?

Jeremy · 03-31-2009, 07:33 AM

That would save me alot of money because I wouldn't go any more.

Billy Nees · 03-31-2009, 07:34 AM

Jack,I'll be the guy shutting out the light when they're ready to close the door. I've always liked my "days off" over at "the Beav" and before that "the Cabbage Patch". I'm just being a realist. If the "Libs" in Stock keep having their way then to quote the head man in Glendora "just make it ET1 and ET2. I'll be there but I know that you won't so instead of playing the "Devils Advocate" and trying to bust my balls start agreeing with just some of the things that I bring up before you wind up with a bunch of real expensive bad bracket cars.

X-TECH MAN · 03-31-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ

The way stock is anymore (not stock at all), why not just simplify things a bit for ourselves and NHRA/IHRA tech? As long as the engine appears stock externally what's the difference anyway?

1. Check for correct head/manifold/carb casting numbers.
2. Pump the engine for correct cubic inches.
3. Whistle test for correct compression, does it really matter how (dome,flat,dish) you get it anyway?
4. Inspection plate on oil pan to verify correct crank/steel rods.
5. Pull valve covers to verify correct rockers.

Let's face it, in stock, there are already the following -

Casting number mods
Relocated lifter bores
Billet cams
Self casted intake manifolds
No hydraulic lifters anymore
Rings backcut to nothing
Bogus runner c.c. info
Bogus valve reliefs

How different would it REALLY be?

Maybe just add the cam lift spec. check so they wouldnt be S/S....lol

Bart Kilraine · 03-31-2009, 08:34 AM

Maybe I'll win the powerball millions,show up at the track with $ 6,000 ,protest the 10 fastest cars {@ the 1,000 ft.} demand they be torn down, and if not ....sue NHRA .That would be my FIRST step.

X-TECH MAN · 03-31-2009, 08:49 AM

I guess NHRA and IHRA would LOVE this deal. Less overhead to take care of. No more tech crew other than some safety inspection. It wouldnt take rocket science to check cam lift and a couple of casting numbers. Less head aches from everyone bitching all of the time. No AHFS needed anymore. No more "OLD" tech guys needed anymore. No need to maintain specs other than some casting numbers. The new Mustangs could run as much boost as they wanted. No extra guys just to monator the runs to see if anyone ran 1.15 under or more. No fuel checks needed. Why have a scale guy to record the weights. Less motel rooms need at events for the association to pay for. Its a win win deal for them and a loose loose for the dedicated stock and S/S racers. Its a sad day if it ever comes to this. As much fun as the NSS and MANDRA races are its still bracket racing so why travel all over the place dragging a heavy trailer behind your tow vehicle. Just drive it to the track like we did in the old days.

Wade_Owens · 03-31-2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy

That would save me alot of money because I wouldn't go any more.

X2, where would the pride be in those rules?

Wade O

03-31-2009, 04:32 AM	#1
RJ Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 248 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stocker engine tech The way stock is anymore (not stock at all), why not just simplify things a bit for ourselves and NHRA/IHRA tech? As long as the engine appears stock externally what's the difference anyway? 1. Check for correct head/manifold/carb casting numbers. 2. Pump the engine for correct cubic inches. 3. Whistle test for correct compression, does it really matter how (dome,flat,dish) you get it anyway? 4. Inspection plate on oil pan to verify correct crank/steel rods. 5. Pull valve covers to verify correct rockers. Let's face it, in stock, there are already the following - Casting number mods Relocated lifter bores Billet cams Self casted intake manifolds No hydraulic lifters anymore Rings backcut to nothing Bogus runner c.c. info Bogus valve reliefs How different would it REALLY be? Last edited by RJ; 03-31-2009 at 04:40 AM.

03-31-2009, 05:39 AM	#2
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Stocker engine tech I got an idea. Make it No electronics Bracket race Thats what you do anyhow. Anything goes just no power adders. On second thought that would never work because everyone would gripe about giving up their 2-steps. Chip

03-31-2009, 06:14 AM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,491 Likes: 3,594 Liked 7,708 Times in 1,736 Posts	Re: Stocker engine tech I've been telling the NHRA tech guys for years that they should just give up and make Stock Eliminator into "Stock Appearing Eliminator". If it's got 9" tires and a flat hood then it's stock, put a dial on it and race. No more class designations and no more class runoffs or heads up runs. If the "liberalization" and "ignorance" of the rules doesn't change then let's just do that and get it over with. I'll still be there but I won't like it. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-31-2009, 07:12 AM	#4
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,927 Likes: 406 Liked 2,050 Times in 398 Posts	Re: Stocker engine tech Billy--- I could tell from your tone that you've been hanging out at Beaver Springs and running "Street Eliminator" again -- are you getting to like it ? ? This doesn't sound like the Billy I've known all these years.........Giving up ? ? I've always thought that you would have a class designation on your casket --was I wrong ? __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

03-31-2009, 07:33 AM	#5
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Stocker engine tech That would save me alot of money because I wouldn't go any more.

03-31-2009, 07:34 AM	#6
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,491 Likes: 3,594 Liked 7,708 Times in 1,736 Posts	Re: Stocker engine tech Jack,I'll be the guy shutting out the light when they're ready to close the door. I've always liked my "days off" over at "the Beav" and before that "the Cabbage Patch". I'm just being a realist. If the "Libs" in Stock keep having their way then to quote the head man in Glendora "just make it ET1 and ET2. I'll be there but I know that you won't so instead of playing the "Devils Advocate" and trying to bust my balls start agreeing with just some of the things that I bring up before you wind up with a bunch of real expensive bad bracket cars. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-31-2009, 08:34 AM	#8
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 118 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Stocker engine tech Maybe I'll win the powerball millions,show up at the track with $ 6,000 ,protest the 10 fastest cars {@ the 1,000 ft.} demand they be torn down, and if not ....sue NHRA .That would be my FIRST step.

03-31-2009, 08:49 AM	#9
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Stocker engine tech I guess NHRA and IHRA would LOVE this deal. Less overhead to take care of. No more tech crew other than some safety inspection. It wouldnt take rocket science to check cam lift and a couple of casting numbers. Less head aches from everyone bitching all of the time. No AHFS needed anymore. No more "OLD" tech guys needed anymore. No need to maintain specs other than some casting numbers. The new Mustangs could run as much boost as they wanted. No extra guys just to monator the runs to see if anyone ran 1.15 under or more. No fuel checks needed. Why have a scale guy to record the weights. Less motel rooms need at events for the association to pay for. Its a win win deal for them and a loose loose for the dedicated stock and S/S racers. Its a sad day if it ever comes to this. As much fun as the NSS and MANDRA races are its still bracket racing so why travel all over the place dragging a heavy trailer behind your tow vehicle. Just drive it to the track like we did in the old days. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 03-31-2009 at 08:53 AM.