Warning to those who use brake cleaner

[Travis Miller]

While crusing the net I ran across an article that could save your life. It concerns using brake cleaner. Please take a few minutes to read the article.

http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

After reading the article I did a search for "phosgene gas" and found out just how serious mixing brake cleaner and heat can be.

Travis

[CycloneFE]

Great piece of information Travis. Thanks, any of us could be in that situation.

[ChevyII]

Travis,

I had no idea! Great piece of information and thanks for sharing.

We take this product for granted everyday in the shop and at the track.

Mike Ferstl
SG SR 6091

[JP]

No **** man!
I'll forward this post.

[Harry 6674]

Wow, I bet a lot of us use brakekleen for cleaning metal before welding with argon. I've just been real lucky I guess. I'll be using a different cleaner from now on.

[sc4400]

Welllllll.............a little perspective.

I worked in the largest single site Phosgene plant in the world for 27 years. It killed 2 good men in that time and one other was permanantly disabled. HOWEVER, they were hit with a staggering dose (refered to as a lethal dose in training). way beyond 4 ppm. We wore monitors and dosing badges. It was not uncommon to get hit occasionally with 25-50 ppm, or more. It's all about TWA (time weighted average).
THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD CREATE THIS MUCH COCL2 (phosgene) from a can of brake cleaner! One drop of liquid phosgene would barely be noticeable for more than a few seconds as it flashed to vapor. It has a distict sweet smell. You are more likely to encounter COCL2 by burning matress foam and releasing it that way.

There is treatment for exposure, as many people have survived. It's effects are severe and straight forward when exposed to a signicant amount. You drown from creation of fluid on the lungs. If you survive, you can have scarring from the release of CL2 (chlorine) which combines with water to make acid.

Don't get me wrong. Breathing any chemical is a bad idea. But fear of everything is a waste of lifes energy. There are nasty chemicals everywhere in our daily lives.Few people relize how much ammonia or chlorine goes down your local railroad.

Use common sense, but don't live your life in fear.

RIP

[racerhead]

In addition to the gas problem (wow), is the more obvious issue of skin penetration. I frequently see racers (and sometimed kids!!!) washing parts with carb and brake cleaner and not using gloves. These chemicals are definately fine enough to pass through the skin barrier, reaching the blood and taxing the liver to detoxify. It's clearly linked to cancer and easy to avoid.

Bruce Deveau

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by sc4400

Welllllll.............a little perspective.

I worked in the largest single site Phosgene plant in the world for 27 years. It killed 2 good men in that time and one other was permanantly disabled. HOWEVER, they were hit with a staggering dose (refered to as a lethal dose in training). way beyond 4 ppm. We wore monitors and dosing badges. It was not uncommon to get hit occasionally with 25-50 ppm, or more. It's all about TWA (time weighted average).
THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD CREATE THIS MUCH COCL2 (phosgene) from a can of brake cleaner! One drop of liquid phosgene would barely be noticeable for more than a few seconds as it flashed to vapor. It has a distict sweet smell. You are more likely to encounter COCL2 by burning matress foam and releasing it that way.

There is treatment for exposure, as many people have survived. It's effects are severe and straight forward when exposed to a signicant amount. You drown from creation of fluid on the lungs. If you survive, you can have scarring from the release of CL2 (chlorine) which combines with water to make acid.

Don't get me wrong. Breathing any chemical is a bad idea. But fear of everything is a waste of lifes energy. There are nasty chemicals everywhere in our daily lives.Few people relize how much ammonia or chlorine goes down your local railroad.

Use common sense, but don't live your life in fear.

RIP

Thanks for the additional info but you failed to mention what would happen when subjected to extreme heat such as welding. Would you mind forwarding what you just posted to the guy who wrote the article in the first place? I'm sure he would be glad to read a rebuttle to his incident.

According to the article he can be reached at www.BrewRacingFrames.com or by phone at Brew Bikes LLC, 336-385-BREW. I believe he may be the owner of the company.

In the meantime, I know I will be more careful when using chemicals around my garage.

Travis

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by sc4400

Welllllll.............a little perspective.

I worked in the largest single site Phosgene plant in the world for 27 years. It killed 2 good men in that time and one other was permanantly disabled. HOWEVER, they were hit with a staggering dose (refered to as a lethal dose in training). way beyond 4 ppm. We wore monitors and dosing badges. It was not uncommon to get hit occasionally with 25-50 ppm, or more. It's all about TWA (time weighted average).
THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD CREATE THIS MUCH COCL2 (phosgene) from a can of brake cleaner! One drop of liquid phosgene would barely be noticeable for more than a few seconds as it flashed to vapor. It has a distict sweet smell. You are more likely to encounter COCL2 by burning matress foam and releasing it that way.

There is treatment for exposure, as many people have survived. It's effects are severe and straight forward when exposed to a signicant amount. You drown from creation of fluid on the lungs. If you survive, you can have scarring from the release of CL2 (chlorine) which combines with water to make acid.

Don't get me wrong. Breathing any chemical is a bad idea. But fear of everything is a waste of lifes energy. There are nasty chemicals everywhere in our daily lives.Few people relize how much ammonia or chlorine goes down your local railroad.

Use common sense, but don't live your life in fear.

RIP

So are you claiming the doctors were incorrect in their diagnosis or could your numbers be wrong?

[greg fulk]

W)W this is what i clean my hands with in the barn @ home!!! Get the greese right out from under you nails. Guess starting fluid only from now on!