Clutchless trans

resurrection3 · 01-12-2010, 08:13 PM

WHAT, NO MORE ABOUT THE CLUTCHLESS TRANS? MUST BE SOMETHING GOING ON OUT THERE! I HEARD DANNY'S GOT THE BULL BY THE HORN,BUT BEEN TURNED DOWN 3 TIMES! STEPED ON TOO MANY PEOPLES FEET.

james schaechter · 01-12-2010, 08:35 PM

Pat Cvengros said Bruce was inquiring with racers. I didn't ask but I would guess it is a straw pole based upon his e mail inquiry.

Pat Cvengros did say that it would be considered for SuperStockers only.

I did not vote as I do not have a stick shift superstocker any more, just a stocker. If you are a stickshift SSer, might be worth an e mail to Bruce. I did not see anything published on this on NHRA.com. I e- mailed Pat Cvengros at NHRA directly, that was his response. Jim

Jeff Lee · 01-13-2010, 01:56 AM

Letter I just sent to both Pat & Bruce @ NHRA:

Hi Pat,
I just read you are looking for input on clutchless transmissions in Stock & Super Stock.
My opinion is this should be allowed in Super Stock as it more closely resembles the upgrades allowed to a Super Stock automatic transmission. Furthermore, since tranny-brakes are allowed in Super Stock, there should be an allowance for electro-magnetic clutch pedal release mechanisms as shown here: http://www.biondoracing.com/ClutchRelease.shtml , release would be the same legal buttons as the a/t classes are allowed. This would be an affordable upgrade option to the SS stick racer.
I'm in the (long) process of re-working my SS/H AMX from front to back. A new clutchless transmission is not part of the equation at this point but I do not feel it is a necessity; but it would be a consideration for future use.
Regarding usage in the Stock class, I would be inclined to say no. I think this type of transmission should be part of the "upgrade package" when graduating from Stock to Super Stock and Stock Class racers should have rules with cost considerations. And no, that wasn't a joke...
Also on this subject, I know of several auto trans Stock & Super Stock racers who would be more willing to run a stick class if not for the index penalty on many of the classes. Drop the spread between the stick and auto classes (same letter designation, i.e., SS/J vs. SS/JA index difference of two tenths) and allow clutchless transmissions in SS and I have good input you might see a surge in stick class participants.
That's all for now, thanks for hearing us!
Jeff Lee
SS/H #7494

Adger Smith · 01-13-2010, 04:30 AM

Damn Rich,
Whats the big deal. You kick *** without one... OH! same thing is gettin' you is gettin' me.. Birthdays stacking up?? :~)

Ed Carpenter · 01-13-2010, 09:22 AM

Jeff having to let the clutch out on time is one reason why most guys want to run a manual car. Having something release the clutch pedal other than your foot doesn't do it for me. I got the email and said no to the clutchless. If you want a clutchless car go run comp eliminator. Ed

SuperStockDodge · 01-13-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

Jeff having to let the clutch out on time is one reason why most guys want to run a manual car. Having something release the clutch pedal other than your foot doesn't do it for me. I got the email and said no to the clutchless. If you want a clutchless car go run comp eliminator. Ed

Took the words right out of my mouth! I couldn't agree with you more Ed.

Jeff Lee · 01-13-2010, 01:48 PM

NHRA asked for opinions, I presented mine.
You can drive your car as you see fit. I also
mentioned I would not be installing a clutchless
but it could be an option to others.
But if you read my letter & didn't freeze on one
aspect, you may have noticed some of it
was geared to auto racers being reluctant
to switch to manual trans for a variety of
reasons.
Now maybe the real story is both of you
would rather not see more stick cars and
the increase in competition?

Ed Carpenter · 01-13-2010, 02:31 PM

I wish there were 20 more SS/H cars in D4. It would be alot more fun. I don't race enough yet to talk trash. I'm not afraid of you or anybody else if that's what you mean. I'm not the fastest and I know that. You need to worry about Tony Fillipone, Bob Earlywine, Danny Coffman etc. Just having fun with ya. Ed

69ss/rs · 01-13-2010, 07:13 PM

I have to say that if NHRA where to allow clutchless trans, I would switch from my automatic. Nothing sounds better than standing at the big end, and hearing a stick car coming down the track. I have been told that with the mods that the current trans have going to a clutchless isn't really that much different. But I'm to much of a coward to try it now; having only driven automatics all my racing life.

Ed Carpenter · 01-13-2010, 08:02 PM

69ss/rs just do it!!!!

01-12-2010, 08:13 PM	#1
resurrection3 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 62 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Clutchless trans WHAT, NO MORE ABOUT THE CLUTCHLESS TRANS? MUST BE SOMETHING GOING ON OUT THERE! I HEARD DANNY'S GOT THE BULL BY THE HORN,BUT BEEN TURNED DOWN 3 TIMES! STEPED ON TOO MANY PEOPLES FEET.

01-12-2010, 08:35 PM	#2
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,987 Likes: 1,279 Liked 1,428 Times in 296 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans Pat Cvengros said Bruce was inquiring with racers. I didn't ask but I would guess it is a straw pole based upon his e mail inquiry. Pat Cvengros did say that it would be considered for SuperStockers only. I did not vote as I do not have a stick shift superstocker any more, just a stocker. If you are a stickshift SSer, might be worth an e mail to Bruce. I did not see anything published on this on NHRA.com. I e- mailed Pat Cvengros at NHRA directly, that was his response. Jim __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK Last edited by james schaechter; 01-12-2010 at 08:40 PM.

01-13-2010, 01:56 AM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans Letter I just sent to both Pat & Bruce @ NHRA: Hi Pat, I just read you are looking for input on clutchless transmissions in Stock & Super Stock. My opinion is this should be allowed in Super Stock as it more closely resembles the upgrades allowed to a Super Stock automatic transmission. Furthermore, since tranny-brakes are allowed in Super Stock, there should be an allowance for electro-magnetic clutch pedal release mechanisms as shown here: http://www.biondoracing.com/ClutchRelease.shtml , release would be the same legal buttons as the a/t classes are allowed. This would be an affordable upgrade option to the SS stick racer. I'm in the (long) process of re-working my SS/H AMX from front to back. A new clutchless transmission is not part of the equation at this point but I do not feel it is a necessity; but it would be a consideration for future use. Regarding usage in the Stock class, I would be inclined to say no. I think this type of transmission should be part of the "upgrade package" when graduating from Stock to Super Stock and Stock Class racers should have rules with cost considerations. And no, that wasn't a joke... Also on this subject, I know of several auto trans Stock & Super Stock racers who would be more willing to run a stick class if not for the index penalty on many of the classes. Drop the spread between the stick and auto classes (same letter designation, i.e., SS/J vs. SS/JA index difference of two tenths) and allow clutchless transmissions in SS and I have good input you might see a surge in stick class participants. That's all for now, thanks for hearing us! Jeff Lee SS/H #7494 __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

01-13-2010, 04:30 AM	#4
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans Damn Rich, Whats the big deal. You kick *** without one... OH! same thing is gettin' you is gettin' me.. Birthdays stacking up?? :~) __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

01-13-2010, 09:22 AM	#5
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans Jeff having to let the clutch out on time is one reason why most guys want to run a manual car. Having something release the clutch pedal other than your foot doesn't do it for me. I got the email and said no to the clutchless. If you want a clutchless car go run comp eliminator. Ed __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

01-13-2010, 01:48 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans NHRA asked for opinions, I presented mine. You can drive your car as you see fit. I also mentioned I would not be installing a clutchless but it could be an option to others. But if you read my letter & didn't freeze on one aspect, you may have noticed some of it was geared to auto racers being reluctant to switch to manual trans for a variety of reasons. Now maybe the real story is both of you would rather not see more stick cars and the increase in competition? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

01-13-2010, 02:31 PM	#8
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans I wish there were 20 more SS/H cars in D4. It would be alot more fun. I don't race enough yet to talk trash. I'm not afraid of you or anybody else if that's what you mean. I'm not the fastest and I know that. You need to worry about Tony Fillipone, Bob Earlywine, Danny Coffman etc. Just having fun with ya. Ed __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

01-13-2010, 07:13 PM	#9
69ss/rs Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 82 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans I have to say that if NHRA where to allow clutchless trans, I would switch from my automatic. Nothing sounds better than standing at the big end, and hearing a stick car coming down the track. I have been told that with the mods that the current trans have going to a clutchless isn't really that much different. But I'm to much of a coward to try it now; having only driven automatics all my racing life.

01-13-2010, 08:02 PM	#10
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Clutchless trans 69ss/rs just do it!!!! __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development