Yet another bogu horsepower factor

Greg Hill · 03-27-2010, 09:39 PM

Charlie , I'll ease up on you for a while and move on to maybe the most bogus of all the new cars horsepower factors. Check out the 5.7 hemi from Chrysler/ Fiat. It's the same motor as the 6.1 just less 25 cubic inches. It's rated at 305hp. Let's take a look at the specs boys and girls. It's 12.7 to 1 compression, it has a 584/552 lift cam, it has a single plane intake that is cast although it looks like a sheet metal manifold. It has a 1000cfm throttle body, a super stock oil pan and heads that flow well over 300 cfm right out of the box. Now let's compare this little jewel to the GM LS1 in the automatic version which is rated at 373hp unless you have a GTO or a Corvette and that's another story entirely.

The LS1 is 10.2 to 1 compression, it has a 515/515 lift cam, it's got a plastic manifold, a throttle body that is 2.954 round, a street oil pan, and good heads, although I bet they don't flow anywhere near the hemi heads on the Chrysler motor. Oh by the way the LS1 is 346 cubic inches.

The Chrysler should easily make 600hp. Any of you proponents of the new cars want to try and defend this deal.

RULER · 03-27-2010, 11:07 PM

And don't forget the 428 ford crate engine @375hp, 12.5to1 .590 roller cam and also large single plane intake with a 1000cfm throttle body with current technolgy cylinder heads, this one will make anybody with an old 440, 427, 426, look weak all day long, So the question is when were these car ever made that you could buy from the dealer, NEVER, they can't be sold by a dealer for steet use so they souldn't be in stock elim. like the rest of the new cars!!!!!!!!!!!

hemidup · 03-28-2010, 12:05 AM

When does a 1000 cfm throttle body make a difference, or the oil pan?.... 305 HP? Thats funny right there and I agree. Thankfully they didn't use 5.7 heads or you'd be in for a real shock.

Greg Hill · 03-28-2010, 09:46 AM

I forgot another thing when comparing the two engines. The Chrysler has 2.10/ 1.60 valves and the LS1 has 2.00/1.55 valves. The question is how does a 1000cfm throttle body or a super stock oil pan make any difference ? Do I really have to answer that? Seems to me the hemi should be at least 375 hp starting out. The 6.1 is soft but the 5.7 is ridiculous.

NewHemi · 03-28-2010, 10:33 AM

Another injustice foisted upon you guys... Man, it must be tough to be on the wrong end of every new car HP rating.....

Would say more, but I have to go now. We need to get back to setting up our 5.7 engine now, getting ready for Houston..

David
The New Hemi Guy
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Jared Jordan · 03-28-2010, 11:27 AM

600 HP? Maybe with a "bracket" tuneup. I bet it's a whole lot closer to 700 when someone does it right.

Bruce Noland · 03-28-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NewHemi

Another injustice foisted upon you guys... Man, it must be tough to be on the wrong end of every new car HP rating.....

Would say more, but I have to go now. We need to get back to setting up our 5.7 engine now, getting ready for Houston..

David
The New Hemi Guy

You will find out some day if you become an old hemi guy. And why are you still on the site? Thought you were working on your hemi.

NewHemi · 03-28-2010, 12:36 PM

We decided to take the weekend off. No sense in hurrying these things.
And coincidently we have to wait until Monday to pick up the 5.7 block we are having "specially prepared" legal, but still specially prepared..

And of course we will be sure to let you guys know what kind of Hp we pull, once we get it to the track or the dyno...

Let's see. The rating is now 305....Man, If it isn't at least 309 or 310, we are gonna be real dissapointed..

So if we get a 3135 lb car down the track in the low 10s, you can be sure we squeezed out at least 310 and maybe a little bit more......

David
The New Hemi Guy
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Timetraveler · 03-28-2010, 12:39 PM

Can you say "FACTORY RACE CARS".

If we had computers with web sites like this back in 64 or 65 I would have been reading the same threads.

I don't care how much the car company's say they are not into racing, the rule has always been "WIN ON SUNDAY--SELL ON MONDAY". NHRA and IHRA don't test cars they believe the horsepower ratings that the factory issues until it is proven different.

The rules of today were written because of the new combinations that were tried in the past. The old rules are also still there because they are being tested at every meet. Don't put all of your money into a combination that will recieve a large factor tomorrow.

Jeff Teuton · 03-28-2010, 12:43 PM

The 5.7 and 6.1 have the same heads. Rest assured my friends, this too shall pass as the foot stepping on other body parts will remedy the situation. Looks like the 6.1 is headed for 2.25% in June or July, whenever the period ends. And now that we got this in the open (course it's been there over a year), maybe a Ford review and by that time GM will probably have some combos for review. Someone at GM has to care. None of this in instigated by NHRA. The mfg. has to submit the stuff etc.

03-27-2010, 09:39 PM	#1
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Yet another bogu horsepower factor Charlie , I'll ease up on you for a while and move on to maybe the most bogus of all the new cars horsepower factors. Check out the 5.7 hemi from Chrysler/ Fiat. It's the same motor as the 6.1 just less 25 cubic inches. It's rated at 305hp. Let's take a look at the specs boys and girls. It's 12.7 to 1 compression, it has a 584/552 lift cam, it has a single plane intake that is cast although it looks like a sheet metal manifold. It has a 1000cfm throttle body, a super stock oil pan and heads that flow well over 300 cfm right out of the box. Now let's compare this little jewel to the GM LS1 in the automatic version which is rated at 373hp unless you have a GTO or a Corvette and that's another story entirely. The LS1 is 10.2 to 1 compression, it has a 515/515 lift cam, it's got a plastic manifold, a throttle body that is 2.954 round, a street oil pan, and good heads, although I bet they don't flow anywhere near the hemi heads on the Chrysler motor. Oh by the way the LS1 is 346 cubic inches. The Chrysler should easily make 600hp. Any of you proponents of the new cars want to try and defend this deal. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

03-27-2010, 11:07 PM	#2
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor And don't forget the 428 ford crate engine @375hp, 12.5to1 .590 roller cam and also large single plane intake with a 1000cfm throttle body with current technolgy cylinder heads, this one will make anybody with an old 440, 427, 426, look weak all day long, So the question is when were these car ever made that you could buy from the dealer, NEVER, they can't be sold by a dealer for steet use so they souldn't be in stock elim. like the rest of the new cars!!!!!!!!!!!

03-28-2010, 12:05 AM	#3
hemidup Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 409 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor When does a 1000 cfm throttle body make a difference, or the oil pan?.... 305 HP? Thats funny right there and I agree. Thankfully they didn't use 5.7 heads or you'd be in for a real shock. __________________ Jerry Williams NSS/A, E/S, PRO E.T. And the "Grandaddy" of Gen III Hemi Performance...The fire inside me still burn's. Last edited by hemidup; 03-28-2010 at 01:52 AM.

03-28-2010, 09:46 AM	#4
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor I forgot another thing when comparing the two engines. The Chrysler has 2.10/ 1.60 valves and the LS1 has 2.00/1.55 valves. The question is how does a 1000cfm throttle body or a super stock oil pan make any difference ? Do I really have to answer that? Seems to me the hemi should be at least 375 hp starting out. The 6.1 is soft but the 5.7 is ridiculous. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

03-28-2010, 10:33 AM	#5
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor Another injustice foisted upon you guys... Man, it must be tough to be on the wrong end of every new car HP rating..... Would say more, but I have to go now. We need to get back to setting up our 5.7 engine now, getting ready for Houston.. David The New Hemi Guy ________ Kitchen Measures Last edited by NewHemi; 04-05-2011 at 10:15 PM.

03-28-2010, 11:27 AM	#6
Jared Jordan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 608 Likes: 188 Liked 498 Times in 114 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor 600 HP? Maybe with a "bracket" tuneup. I bet it's a whole lot closer to 700 when someone does it right. __________________ Jared Jordan 9 B/SA 2024 Jeg's D7 All Star - Stock

03-28-2010, 12:36 PM	#8
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor We decided to take the weekend off. No sense in hurrying these things. And coincidently we have to wait until Monday to pick up the 5.7 block we are having "specially prepared" legal, but still specially prepared.. And of course we will be sure to let you guys know what kind of Hp we pull, once we get it to the track or the dyno... Let's see. The rating is now 305....Man, If it isn't at least 309 or 310, we are gonna be real dissapointed.. So if we get a 3135 lb car down the track in the low 10s, you can be sure we squeezed out at least 310 and maybe a little bit more...... David The New Hemi Guy ________ Coach handbags Last edited by NewHemi; 04-05-2011 at 10:15 PM.

03-28-2010, 12:39 PM	#9
Timetraveler Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 103 Likes: 79 Liked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor Can you say "FACTORY RACE CARS". If we had computers with web sites like this back in 64 or 65 I would have been reading the same threads. I don't care how much the car company's say they are not into racing, the rule has always been "WIN ON SUNDAY--SELL ON MONDAY". NHRA and IHRA don't test cars they believe the horsepower ratings that the factory issues until it is proven different. The rules of today were written because of the new combinations that were tried in the past. The old rules are also still there because they are being tested at every meet. Don't put all of your money into a combination that will recieve a large factor tomorrow. Last edited by Timetraveler; 03-28-2010 at 12:50 PM.

03-28-2010, 12:43 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Yet another bogu horsepower factor The 5.7 and 6.1 have the same heads. Rest assured my friends, this too shall pass as the foot stepping on other body parts will remedy the situation. Looks like the 6.1 is headed for 2.25% in June or July, whenever the period ends. And now that we got this in the open (course it's been there over a year), maybe a Ford review and by that time GM will probably have some combos for review. Someone at GM has to care. None of this in instigated by NHRA. The mfg. has to submit the stuff etc. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK