Records/Minimum

Ed Carpenter · 05-26-2011, 05:38 PM

Records seem to be filling up with minimums. H is open but until i can set it with a respectable number I won't try. Ed

Jeff Colvert · 05-26-2011, 08:17 PM

Ed, I think that would be the results of not being able to run your car out to set a record with out getting your combo hit with HP. Guess we can start a 1000' record club to see who really is the bad ***** in each class. I personaly belive there should be points or other rewards for records. Also could the results of the THEYS who ever THEY are that wants s/ss to be more of a et class instead of a performance base class like it always has. I would like to see class winners at national events get to race I don't care how fast they are.Just my wishes.

Jeff Colvert
SS/G 4456

tedly1056 · 05-26-2011, 08:24 PM

Does anyone else agree with me that all records should stand until someone breaks them? Is there a good reason they go back to a minimum? Am I missing something?
Ted

Tom P · 05-26-2011, 09:30 PM

They should. I think it'd be much more interesting to scan down the list and see that nobody has gone faster since 1989 or whenever. Or that the class is just that sparsely populated.

Ed Wright · 05-26-2011, 09:53 PM

Jeff, back when my hair was still brown ET records were 200 points (2 rounds at that time) MPH records were 100 points. I agree, records should be penalty free should be awarded points and should stand until broken. But, they never ask me. LOL!

Jim Wahl · 05-26-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by A56

I just set one in F/SA at a national open. Its pretty much the only place we can set one now without getting a strike, or instant HP. It would be nice if we could set them without a strike, then the minimums would go away. The whole new AHFS deal in my opinion truly sucks, its kept me from racing much, its taken the fun factor out of it all for me. Since I started racing at 16 all I ever wanted to do was make my car faster, it all seems pointless if I cant use my head to better my car.

Mark Lelchook
E/SA #704

I'm with you on this one Mark! Congrats on the record! I meant to call you, I still may. Good job. Jim

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Jeff Lee · 05-27-2011, 12:45 AM

All points are excellent. There should be points for ET & MPH record as well as #1 qualifying position. Records should stand for ever!
I could have easily set the D/S record as I had the E/S record. But some "Equal Opportunity" racers got NHRA to have a maximum 11 month record at the time (since rescinded and back to two years). I was capable of 10.50's and did so at NHRA events. But I wasn't going to go through the arse ache of tear down for 11 months on the books only to have it go back to minimum and have somebody set the record at 11.00.
I set the AF/S record in 1994 and it took almost ten years for somebody to better it. Like Tom P said, it would make for interesting discussion to see something on the books for years on end. It may even inspire somebody to build a car with one purpose in mind; to take that long standing record.
Look at the Summer Brothers Golden Rod. How long was that LSR record of 406? 30 years or more? That's another point. LSR records last until taken. That would be a great policy.
When I get my car done, I'm going to do something I've always wanted to do. I want the record in all classs'es the car qualifies; at the same time. That would be SS/G-H-I. Until I get the car out of prison it's just a fantasy!
So Jeff C. and Ed...you've got plenty of breathing room!
Now we just have to figure how to set records without a super HP penalty. That is another subject though...

tj310 · 05-27-2011, 07:55 AM

Jeff what was your car convicted of, seems like a life sentence

...Thanx Trevor

Dave Casey · 05-27-2011, 08:14 AM

The main reason that the records are only for 2 years is because they do not set them back to a minimum if the combo is refactored. Say a record is set today at Maple grove and the combo gets hit 20 hp in the next year or 2, even though that car may not make that class anymore or must carry more weight, the record still stands until it is broken or 2 years have passed. It may not sound/be perfectly fair, but it saves alot of work in the tech dept.

Alan Roehrich · 05-27-2011, 11:09 AM

I agree with Jeff about records and qualifying paying points. A record, if you set both ends, should pay points. So should a contested class win. Qualifying should pay points through tenth position. And a heads up win should pay double points for the round.

As far as records standing, they should return to the minimum at 2 years, for several reasons.

05-26-2011, 08:17 PM	#2
Jeff Colvert Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkadelphia, AR Posts: 289 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum Ed, I think that would be the results of not being able to run your car out to set a record with out getting your combo hit with HP. Guess we can start a 1000' record club to see who really is the bad ***** in each class. I personaly belive there should be points or other rewards for records. Also could the results of the THEYS who ever THEY are that wants s/ss to be more of a et class instead of a performance base class like it always has. I would like to see class winners at national events get to race I don't care how fast they are.Just my wishes. Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456 __________________ Jeff Colvert SS/G,F,GT/B 4456

05-26-2011, 08:24 PM	#3
tedly1056 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Barto, PA Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum Does anyone else agree with me that all records should stand until someone breaks them? Is there a good reason they go back to a minimum? Am I missing something? Ted Last edited by tedly1056; 05-26-2011 at 08:25 PM. Reason: spelling

05-26-2011, 09:30 PM	#4
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum They should. I think it'd be much more interesting to scan down the list and see that nobody has gone faster since 1989 or whenever. Or that the class is just that sparsely populated.

05-26-2011, 09:53 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum Jeff, back when my hair was still brown ET records were 200 points (2 rounds at that time) MPH records were 100 points. I agree, records should be penalty free should be awarded points and should stand until broken. But, they never ask me. LOL! __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

05-27-2011, 07:55 AM	#8
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum Jeff what was your car convicted of, seems like a life sentence...Thanx Trevor

05-26-2011, 05:38 PM	#1
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Records/Minimum Records seem to be filling up with minimums. H is open but until i can set it with a respectable number I won't try. Ed __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

05-27-2011, 12:45 AM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum All points are excellent. There should be points for ET & MPH record as well as #1 qualifying position. Records should stand for ever! I could have easily set the D/S record as I had the E/S record. But some "Equal Opportunity" racers got NHRA to have a maximum 11 month record at the time (since rescinded and back to two years). I was capable of 10.50's and did so at NHRA events. But I wasn't going to go through the arse ache of tear down for 11 months on the books only to have it go back to minimum and have somebody set the record at 11.00. I set the AF/S record in 1994 and it took almost ten years for somebody to better it. Like Tom P said, it would make for interesting discussion to see something on the books for years on end. It may even inspire somebody to build a car with one purpose in mind; to take that long standing record. Look at the Summer Brothers Golden Rod. How long was that LSR record of 406? 30 years or more? That's another point. LSR records last until taken. That would be a great policy. When I get my car done, I'm going to do something I've always wanted to do. I want the record in all classs'es the car qualifies; at the same time. That would be SS/G-H-I. Until I get the car out of prison it's just a fantasy! So Jeff C. and Ed...you've got plenty of breathing room! Now we just have to figure how to set records without a super HP penalty. That is another subject though... __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

05-27-2011, 08:14 AM	#9
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,198 Likes: 233 Liked 769 Times in 162 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum The main reason that the records are only for 2 years is because they do not set them back to a minimum if the combo is refactored. Say a record is set today at Maple grove and the combo gets hit 20 hp in the next year or 2, even though that car may not make that class anymore or must carry more weight, the record still stands until it is broken or 2 years have passed. It may not sound/be perfectly fair, but it saves alot of work in the tech dept. __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

05-27-2011, 11:09 AM	#10
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,097 Likes: 1,542 Liked 1,775 Times in 404 Posts	Re: Records/Minimum I agree with Jeff about records and qualifying paying points. A record, if you set both ends, should pay points. So should a contested class win. Qualifying should pay points through tenth position. And a heads up win should pay double points for the round. As far as records standing, they should return to the minimum at 2 years, for several reasons. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S