Question Please

THE LEGEND · 11-18-2010, 01:37 PM

What is the difference between a S/SS combo with No heads up, no scales, no fuel check, NO TECH PERIOD and a bracket race????????

Why do you guys go race a S/SS combo but won't go to a bracket race?????????

We have heard the argument before. Class racing is not the same as bracket racing because of YADA YADA YADA YADA, but look at question #1 then answer both.
Chip Johnson

Ed Wright · 11-18-2010, 01:41 PM

None, that's why I won't run one like that.

GUMP · 11-18-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ed wright

none, that's why i won't run one like that.

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Jeff Lee · 11-18-2010, 01:54 PM

Because it's a glorified test and tune and a good, although maybe not reliable, way to judge your performance against your competitors. And there is no points given that influence anything.

Mike Carr · 11-18-2010, 01:59 PM

Chip, I can;t answer for the others, if I had to venture a guess, I would say most racers like racing against other Class cars, as opposed to a true Bracket car. I've done both, had no problem doing either. I guess I prefer S/SS races for the reason I stated, plus most S/SS combo's are a better entry/payout ratio, or pay more to win, potentially (Hagerstown last weekend was $100 to enter, $2,000 to win).

As far as the S/SS Association races I put on, most tracks we run at don't have scales or fuel check equipment. Plus, I don't have the money to pay someone (like a Terry, Duane, etc) to show up and do the tech and post-run checks. Because of that, we don't have qualifying or heads-up runs. The only real rule is that a racer must dial the Class Index or quicker, and I would say 99% of the racers at my events over the past thirteen years have been safely under, with no need to cheat (weight, carburetor, etc). I guess you just assume if one is not 100% legal, they all are that way. Hence, no advantage to it, with the no heads-ups/qualifying rules.

Signman · 11-18-2010, 02:06 PM

SS/S combos are regular old bracket races with Legal Stockers and Super Stockers only. (Super Stockers are actually No Box)

Legal meaning most if not all have passed tech inspection at NHRA & IHRA sanctioned events. Constructed with the limited rules.

Most SS/S Associations will enforce courtesy staging, no deep staging.

Footbrake & No Box bracket cars have no rules other than Transbrake or No Transbrake & ET limitations.

I have no problem racing my stocker in footbrake but do you think a low 9 second tube chassis big block on alcohol would dominate a SS/S Combo?? I know some that do in Footbrake.

Besides, combo races are used by everyone at some point to test with the added value of seeing the change against other cars on the same track and day without national or divisional points implications.

Dave Casey · 11-18-2010, 02:13 PM

The ASRA races at New England Dragway and Lebanon Valley are combo races and have always run heads up races flat out no breakout, no dial in. This year we had 60-68 cars at 5 of our 6 races and 50+ at the other one. So it is not hurting our turnout.

I don't know how many other associations are doing it this way, but it has not hurt us, it probably has helped us. At our last event I think we had 3 heads up races. It certainly adds a little excitement and fun.

Andys dad · 11-18-2010, 02:18 PM

I won't race at one like that again

I went to one where they allowed a bracket car to run as a SS car

You forgot one other rule they didn't have to be able to run the index either

:-) peace

Alan Roehrich · 11-18-2010, 02:28 PM

One reason the combo races at Bowling Green draw 50-60 cars or more is because they do have heads up races and scales. I have no desire to run the "no heads up" combo races. We have run them, but just to support the association, not because we like racing without the possibility of heads up races.

Chad Rhodes · 11-18-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

One reason the combo races at Bowling Green draw 50-60 cars or more is because they do have heads up races and scales. I have no desire to run the "no heads up" combo races. We have run them, but just to support the association, not because we like racing without the possibility of heads up races.

I wish they would have weighed at the combo at No Problem, but it wasn't Pat's deal. I'm thinking I may need to find a "summer home" for the I/SA camaro up there so I can run the combos

11-18-2010, 01:41 PM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Question Please None, that's why I won't run one like that. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-18-2010, 01:54 PM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Question Please Because it's a glorified test and tune and a good, although maybe not reliable, way to judge your performance against your competitors. And there is no points given that influence anything. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

11-18-2010, 01:59 PM	#5
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Question Please Chip, I can;t answer for the others, if I had to venture a guess, I would say most racers like racing against other Class cars, as opposed to a true Bracket car. I've done both, had no problem doing either. I guess I prefer S/SS races for the reason I stated, plus most S/SS combo's are a better entry/payout ratio, or pay more to win, potentially (Hagerstown last weekend was $100 to enter, $2,000 to win). As far as the S/SS Association races I put on, most tracks we run at don't have scales or fuel check equipment. Plus, I don't have the money to pay someone (like a Terry, Duane, etc) to show up and do the tech and post-run checks. Because of that, we don't have qualifying or heads-up runs. The only real rule is that a racer must dial the Class Index or quicker, and I would say 99% of the racers at my events over the past thirteen years have been safely under, with no need to cheat (weight, carburetor, etc). I guess you just assume if one is not 100% legal, they all are that way. Hence, no advantage to it, with the no heads-ups/qualifying rules. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

11-18-2010, 02:06 PM	#6
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Question Please SS/S combos are regular old bracket races with Legal Stockers and Super Stockers only. (Super Stockers are actually No Box) Legal meaning most if not all have passed tech inspection at NHRA & IHRA sanctioned events. Constructed with the limited rules. Most SS/S Associations will enforce courtesy staging, no deep staging. Footbrake & No Box bracket cars have no rules other than Transbrake or No Transbrake & ET limitations. I have no problem racing my stocker in footbrake but do you think a low 9 second tube chassis big block on alcohol would dominate a SS/S Combo?? I know some that do in Footbrake. Besides, combo races are used by everyone at some point to test with the added value of seeing the change against other cars on the same track and day without national or divisional points implications. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given" Last edited by Signman; 11-18-2010 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Added info

11-18-2010, 02:13 PM	#7
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,199 Likes: 233 Liked 769 Times in 162 Posts	Re: Question Please The ASRA races at New England Dragway and Lebanon Valley are combo races and have always run heads up races flat out no breakout, no dial in. This year we had 60-68 cars at 5 of our 6 races and 50+ at the other one. So it is not hurting our turnout. I don't know how many other associations are doing it this way, but it has not hurt us, it probably has helped us. At our last event I think we had 3 heads up races. It certainly adds a little excitement and fun. __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

11-18-2010, 01:37 PM	#1
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Question Please What is the difference between a S/SS combo with No heads up, no scales, no fuel check, NO TECH PERIOD and a bracket race???????? Why do you guys go race a S/SS combo but won't go to a bracket race????????? We have heard the argument before. Class racing is not the same as bracket racing because of YADA YADA YADA YADA, but look at question #1 then answer both. Chip Johnson

11-18-2010, 02:18 PM	#8
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Question Please I won't race at one like that again I went to one where they allowed a bracket car to run as a SS car You forgot one other rule they didn't have to be able to run the index either :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

11-18-2010, 02:28 PM	#9
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,104 Likes: 1,560 Liked 1,784 Times in 407 Posts	Re: Question Please One reason the combo races at Bowling Green draw 50-60 cars or more is because they do have heads up races and scales. I have no desire to run the "no heads up" combo races. We have run them, but just to support the association, not because we like racing without the possibility of heads up races. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S