They say you can't go back....but...??

[Mike Carr]

With all the discussions over the past 10, 20, maybe more years about how Class Racing is but a shadow of what it was supposed to be (ESPECIALLY modern Stock Eliminator), and how you can't go back, it's not 1975 anymore, etc, but how would the purists and long-time racers (or any racers) feel about this scenario?

Re-alignment of NHRA and IHRA Class Racing

1) Re-name Super Stock "Modified". Because, let's face it, modern S/S is closer to Modified Eliminator than S/S.
Class realignment"
S/S classes = Production classes
SS/A-SS/AA = A/P and A/PA, A/P is 5.5 pound class
and so forth down to P/PA
SS/AH=A/HP; retain Hemi Shootouts
SS/AM = A/MP, and so forth
SS/AS = A/MS, and so forth
SS/AX = A/MX, and so forth
SS/TA = A/PT and so forth
GT classes remain the same; GT/AA = GT/AA, and Trucks also; GT/TA = GT/TA
-For IHRA, SS/Production renamed. IP/AA-1 and 2 down to IP/JA-1 and 2. Change Modified Compact to mirror NHRA Mod Stock rules as are now.
-Keep current rules, weight breaks, Indexes per 2012 rules

2) Re-name Stock "Super Stock". Because, let's face it, modern Stockers are closer to what S/S was but a short time ago
Start at 6 pound class for A/S-A/SA, renamed SS/A-SS/AA
1/2 pound classes, down to SS/W or whatever (current W/S)
FWD Classes, AA/FS = SS/AF, down to EF/S = SS/FF
-For IHRA:
Crate Motor class designations remain; A/CM = A/CM
Stock/GT designations renamed, SS/GTA down to SS/GTG
Pure Stock re-named SS/AP down to SS/IP
EFI and truck classes combined into traditional Stock classes and re-named; FT/SA = SS/MA; A/FIA = SS/EA, etc.
-All cars permitted 10.5" slicks
-All other rules, weight breaks and Indexes per 2012 rules

3)Create new Stock Eliminator, in the spirit of what Stock Eliminator SHOULD be.
-mirroring current IHRA Pure Stock rules, with the following exceptions
All 1950 and newer cars, trucks and sports car eligible
All cars MUTS have been factory assembled, showroom-available, and in the hands of the general public.
*If you could not buy it, as is, from a dealer, license, register, insure it, and drive it home, it is NOT LEGAL for Stock*
Minimum number of units, as is, produced to be elgible. Probably 200, maybe more. Possible exceptions granted to rarer, but street legal, cars (L-88 Corvette, ZL-1 Camaro, etc)
Camshaft must check on lift, duration and overlap per OEM
OEM valve spring pressure madatory
OEM transmission ONLY. No metric 200, Jerico, etc. If car ONLY came with a TH-350, Torqueflite 727, etc, it must keep that trans. NO corporate upgrade (i.e. no TH-400 if combination did not come equppied as such)
30"x9" slick, or 10.5 D.O.T tires only. Minimum tread depth required. Transmission loop required on all RWD cars/trucks with slicks.
Factory or OEM replacement radiator permitted.
No trunk-mounted batteries unless OEM equipped.
No open exhaust, unless with factory exhaust manifolds. Headers require approved mufflers.
Unleaded gasoline permitted.
All other current (2011) IHRA Pure Stock rules apply.

Classes start at 7.00-7.49 pounds, for A/S-A/SA, down to Z/S and Z/SA
FWD classes mirror weight breaks for current IHRA FWD, with possible class/weight break adjustments for a new AA or A, Down to HF/SA at 27.50 pounds per hp.
Naturally aspirated combinations only. No turbocharged or supercharged cars permitted.

Just something I cam up with a week or so ago. What ya' think?

[GarysZ24]

I'd be game for that, my car with my Lunati cam might have to run Super Stock, but I still have my factory exhaust manifolds on it (and it's essentially all stock otherwise), so it would take very little for my car to qualify for your version of Stock. I just hope that the powers that be in Glendora, and Norwalk like this idea of yours too???

[Jim Hanig]

What would we do with the thousnds of dollars we have already spent,for those parts.? Jim Hanig

[Mike Carr]

You wouldn't have to do a thing. Other than change the letters on your windows. Did you read what I wrote?

If you have, say, a current A/SA (8.00-8.49 pound Stock class) 427/425 '69 Camaro, you would be, under my proposed idea, a SS/EA (8 pound S/S class with the same rules as current 2011 A/SA engine/car rules.).

The only thing you would change is the letters on the windows and have the option of a 10.5" slick. Nothing else would change. 8 pound class, 11.00 Index.

[Lew Silverman]

Sounds like a good start, Mike! I have been saying for a while that the current Stock Car Classification Guide should be either up-dated or thrown out! Start with the manufacturer's published horsepower and shipping weight and adjust from there, pretty much what they do now! A cam/valve spring change and a set of mufflers and I'm ready to go!

If I had one complaint, it would be to allow turbo's in the FWD classes, at factory HP, with maybe some ruling on using a factory non-adjustable waste-gate.

Looking forward to next year!

Lew

[new az stocker]

Mike you have way to much time on your hands

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

With all the discussions over the past 10, 20, maybe more years about how Class Racing is but a shadow of what it was supposed to be (ESPECIALLY modern Stock Eliminator), and how you can't go back, it's not 1975 anymore, etc, but how would the purists and long-time racers (or any racers) feel about this scenario?

Re-alignment of NHRA and IHRA Class Racing

1) Re-name Super Stock "Modified". Because, let's face it, modern S/S is closer to Modified Eliminator than S/S.
Class realignment"
S/S classes = Production classes
SS/A-SS/AA = A/P and A/PA, A/P is 5.5 pound class
and so forth down to P/PA
SS/AH=A/HP; retain Hemi Shootouts
SS/AM = A/MP, and so forth
SS/AS = A/MS, and so forth
SS/AX = A/MX, and so forth
SS/TA = A/PT and so forth
GT classes remain the same; GT/AA = GT/AA, and Trucks also; GT/TA = GT/TA
-For IHRA, SS/Production renamed. IP/AA-1 and 2 down to IP/JA-1 and 2. Change Modified Compact to mirror NHRA Mod Stock rules as are now.
-Keep current rules, weight breaks, Indexes per 2012 rules

2) Re-name Stock "Super Stock". Because, let's face it, modern Stockers are closer to what S/S was but a short time ago
Start at 6 pound class for A/S-A/SA, renamed SS/A-SS/AA
1/2 pound classes, down to SS/W or whatever (current W/S)
FWD Classes, AA/FS = SS/AF, down to EF/S = SS/FF
-For IHRA:
Crate Motor class designations remain; A/CM = A/CM
Stock/GT designations renamed, SS/GTA down to SS/GTG
Pure Stock re-named SS/AP down to SS/IP
EFI and truck classes combined into traditional Stock classes and re-named; FT/SA = SS/MA; A/FIA = SS/EA, etc.
-All cars permitted 10.5" slicks
-All other rules, weight breaks and Indexes per 2012 rules

3)Create new Stock Eliminator, in the spirit of what Stock Eliminator SHOULD be.
-mirroring current IHRA Pure Stock rules, with the following exceptions
All 1950 and newer cars, trucks and sports car eligible
All cars MUTS have been factory assembled, showroom-available, and in the hands of the general public.
*If you could not buy it, as is, from a dealer, license, register, insure it, and drive it home, it is NOT LEGAL for Stock*
Minimum number of units, as is, produced to be elgible. Probably 200, maybe more. Possible exceptions granted to rarer, but street legal, cars (L-88 Corvette, ZL-1 Camaro, etc)
Camshaft must check on lift, duration and overlap per OEM
OEM valve spring pressure madatory
OEM transmission ONLY. No metric 200, Jerico, etc. If car ONLY came with a TH-350, Torqueflite 727, etc, it must keep that trans. NO corporate upgrade (i.e. no TH-400 if combination did not come equppied as such)
30"x9" slick, or 10.5 D.O.T tires only. Minimum tread depth required. Transmission loop required on all RWD cars/trucks with slicks.
Factory or OEM replacement radiator permitted.
No trunk-mounted batteries unless OEM equipped.
No open exhaust, unless with factory exhaust manifolds. Headers require approved mufflers.
Unleaded gasoline permitted.
All other current (2011) IHRA Pure Stock rules apply.

Classes start at 7.00-7.49 pounds, for A/S-A/SA, down to Z/S and Z/SA
FWD classes mirror weight breaks for current IHRA FWD, with possible class/weight break adjustments for a new AA or A, Down to HF/SA at 27.50 pounds per hp.
Naturally aspirated combinations only. No turbocharged or supercharged cars permitted.

Just something I cam up with a week or so ago. What ya' think?

Mike - You're trying to re-invent the wheel ........nice try but you haven't a clue how bad your idea is .Remember - I have raced when Stock was Pure Stock - and you're right again as you can't go back ............

[vic guilmino]

what jack said
and your pure stock is NOT pure stock

[Travis Miller]

S/SS rule change requests must be submitted to the NHRA S/SS committee before July 1, 2012 in order to be considered for the 2013 season.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[Joe DeMarzo]

What Jack said....