NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info?

Mike Carr · 02-03-2012, 02:55 PM

Just wondering wha tthe round money and payouts are for an NHRA Div'l race? IHRA publishes their's in Drag Review (not a great payout format), but I never see NHRA's listed. Just wondering. Thanks.

jmcarter · 02-03-2012, 04:16 PM

Here's the D2 payout info....other divisions will vary some (for entry fees especially) and D2 is doing the "unleashed" classes again.

http://www.nhradiv2.com/content/gene...137&zoneid=161

Toby Lang · 02-03-2012, 04:30 PM

Here's the division 1 payout. Probably the same this year I would imagine:

http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/gene...203&zoneid=147

Division 7:

http://www.nhradiv7.com/apcm/APCMvie...rint=yes1%20of

-Toby

The Hawk · 02-03-2012, 04:37 PM

I always figured it was up to the track`s descretion. I remember losing in the semis of Stock at the Denver points meet in `96 and received $225(5 round race,$85 or so entry). Then 6 years later lost in the semis again and received $125(6 round race and $150 entry). It`s gotten better since then.

Toby Lang · 02-03-2012, 04:56 PM

You are probably right, Lane. I would imagine each track could payout whatever they want to. These payout schedules are probably just guidelines. I think most tracks follow them though.

-Toby

tim worner · 02-06-2012, 11:54 AM

Seems the national event contingency is down. No Edelbrock,Impact ,Lucas or Valvoline listed in Dragster. Maybe later?

Mike Carr · 02-06-2012, 02:29 PM

Wow. Looking at some of the posted payout information, round money is really bad for both HRA's.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=244470

If all IHRA Pro-Am's pay out like this, no wonder hardly anyone goes.

In regards to Toby Lang's link, in 2011 at an NHRA Div 1 LODRS race, I'd get $25 LESS than I did ten years ago for a fourth round loss, and the entry fee is $45 MORE.

Makes a race like Hagerstown look better and better...

Michael Beard · 02-06-2012, 03:00 PM

The tracks and sanctioning bodies each have operating expenses, not to mention some reasonable expectation of profit. Please offer suggestions for an entry fee/payout schedule that achieves the same bottom line.

Mike Carr · 02-06-2012, 03:23 PM

Using current entry vs payout ratios in NHRA and IHRA, using a 63 car field in Stock

IHRA 63 cars x 135 per car = $8,505 taken in.
Payouts (round money plus Win and R/U) = $2,840 (3,040 in Super Stock); 33.3% payout of entry fees; IHRA keeps $5,665

Since the five lower Sportsman Eliminators (Stk, S/S, Q/R, S/R and H/R) are the same payouts (+/- $200), IHRA at that race would make, approximately, $27,500 per race, per day, based on entry fee at the gate vs payout. $55,000 for the weekend. Not counting the $40 per crew member for the weekend. This sounds great, unless the cost of the track and IHRA for the weekend is over $60K to put those events on. It would seem that IHRA could be better served to up the round money a bit (currently, you need to get to the fifth round to break even or a little better for your day's entry) to help possibly draw more cars and make the money back that they put into the payout.

BTW, NHRA, based on the same 63 cars, takes in $10,710 (@ $170 per car) and pay out $3,900, keeping $6,810, making their race a 36.1% payback race. Not much better.

Obviously, IHRA and the track probably made little, to nothing (probably lost money), on the Immokalee races. Though I do believe the low car counts are a reflection of the low round money paid out. A racer from up here would tow 1,200 miles one way there to race, make it to the 4th round both days (if it were a six round race), and actually lose money (won $240, paid $270 to race). A person, even those who love to race, would look at that scenario and say "Nah, I'll pass".

I think if IHRA were to increase the round money, or lower the entry fee a bit (getting to the third round gets you your entry fee back) would be a plus to perhaps draw more cars to compete.

skills · 02-06-2012, 03:43 PM

Since I am not a racer but just a fan my question is how do national events and divisional payouts compare to specialty events? Like the dutch or a s/ss association race? Is there a way for the tracks to get more local sponsors so they can up the payouts to draw more cars? That's really the only way the hra's can survive and expand is more draw of competitors while not losing the ones you have.

02-03-2012, 02:55 PM	#1
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Just wondering wha tthe round money and payouts are for an NHRA Div'l race? IHRA publishes their's in Drag Review (not a great payout format), but I never see NHRA's listed. Just wondering. Thanks. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

02-03-2012, 04:16 PM	#2
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,288 Likes: 2,355 Liked 3,161 Times in 966 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Here's the D2 payout info....other divisions will vary some (for entry fees especially) and D2 is doing the "unleashed" classes again. http://www.nhradiv2.com/content/gene...137&zoneid=161 __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

02-03-2012, 04:30 PM	#3
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Here's the division 1 payout. Probably the same this year I would imagine: http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/gene...203&zoneid=147 Division 7: http://www.nhradiv7.com/apcm/APCMvie...rint=yes1%20of -Toby Last edited by Toby Lang; 02-03-2012 at 04:33 PM.

02-03-2012, 04:37 PM	#4
The Hawk VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton,Colorado Posts: 1,194 Likes: 0 Liked 249 Times in 109 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? I always figured it was up to the track`s descretion. I remember losing in the semis of Stock at the Denver points meet in `96 and received $225(5 round race,$85 or so entry). Then 6 years later lost in the semis again and received $125(6 round race and $150 entry). It`s gotten better since then. __________________ Lane Weber It`s Not What You Drive That Wins....It`s How You Drive It Last edited by The Hawk; 02-03-2012 at 05:11 PM.

02-03-2012, 04:56 PM	#5
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? You are probably right, Lane. I would imagine each track could payout whatever they want to. These payout schedules are probably just guidelines. I think most tracks follow them though. -Toby

02-06-2012, 11:54 AM	#6
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Seems the national event contingency is down. No Edelbrock,Impact ,Lucas or Valvoline listed in Dragster. Maybe later? __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

02-06-2012, 02:29 PM	#7
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Wow. Looking at some of the posted payout information, round money is really bad for both HRA's. http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=244470 If all IHRA Pro-Am's pay out like this, no wonder hardly anyone goes. In regards to Toby Lang's link, in 2011 at an NHRA Div 1 LODRS race, I'd get $25 LESS than I did ten years ago for a fourth round loss, and the entry fee is $45 MORE. Makes a race like Hagerstown look better and better... __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

02-06-2012, 03:00 PM	#8
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? The tracks and sanctioning bodies each have operating expenses, not to mention some reasonable expectation of profit. Please offer suggestions for an entry fee/payout schedule that achieves the same bottom line. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

02-06-2012, 03:23 PM	#9
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Using current entry vs payout ratios in NHRA and IHRA, using a 63 car field in Stock IHRA 63 cars x 135 per car = $8,505 taken in. Payouts (round money plus Win and R/U) = $2,840 (3,040 in Super Stock); 33.3% payout of entry fees; IHRA keeps $5,665 Since the five lower Sportsman Eliminators (Stk, S/S, Q/R, S/R and H/R) are the same payouts (+/- $200), IHRA at that race would make, approximately, $27,500 per race, per day, based on entry fee at the gate vs payout. $55,000 for the weekend. Not counting the $40 per crew member for the weekend. This sounds great, unless the cost of the track and IHRA for the weekend is over $60K to put those events on. It would seem that IHRA could be better served to up the round money a bit (currently, you need to get to the fifth round to break even or a little better for your day's entry) to help possibly draw more cars and make the money back that they put into the payout. BTW, NHRA, based on the same 63 cars, takes in $10,710 (@ $170 per car) and pay out $3,900, keeping $6,810, making their race a 36.1% payback race. Not much better. Obviously, IHRA and the track probably made little, to nothing (probably lost money), on the Immokalee races. Though I do believe the low car counts are a reflection of the low round money paid out. A racer from up here would tow 1,200 miles one way there to race, make it to the 4th round both days (if it were a six round race), and actually lose money (won $240, paid $270 to race). A person, even those who love to race, would look at that scenario and say "Nah, I'll pass". I think if IHRA were to increase the round money, or lower the entry fee a bit (getting to the third round gets you your entry fee back) would be a plus to perhaps draw more cars to compete. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

02-06-2012, 03:43 PM	#10
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: NHRA LODRS Divisional payout info? Since I am not a racer but just a fan my question is how do national events and divisional payouts compare to specialty events? Like the dutch or a s/ss association race? Is there a way for the tracks to get more local sponsors so they can up the payouts to draw more cars? That's really the only way the hra's can survive and expand is more draw of competitors while not losing the ones you have.