Too Many Super Stock Classes?

SuperStocks@LionsDragStrip · 04-05-2015, 06:28 PM

Are there 2 many classes in Super Stock these days? A can remember from the early days of just a handful, then into the 40s'. Now there are well over 100 classes, is this to many or? Just curious what folks think about this. One other question, should the "hood scoop" cars be in Comp?

Jeff Teuton · 04-05-2015, 06:50 PM

Way too many. 109 Classes, including the 23 added this year. On the scoops, I have mixed feelings. I think some of them are Comp cars. I know there is supposed to be some difference between the Mod classes and Comp. Maybe somebody smarter than me can tell me what the difference is.

Alan Roehrich · 04-05-2015, 08:12 PM

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Ed Wright · 04-05-2015, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Yes sir!

SSGT Mustang · 04-05-2015, 08:36 PM

I may be late to the party, but why not have just 14 classes in SS? Have 7.5 lbs-hp, 8.5 lbs-hp, through 20.5 lbs-hp. Give a 5% weight break for an auto, 5% weight break for non-GT cars, 2.5% weight break for non-front wheel drive conversion cars and no 170 lbs. added for driver.

Have 6 additional classes for modified that would run with SS. 7.5 lbs-cid to 12.5 lbs-cid, any single 4-barrel. Weight breaks for autos.

Have 4 additional cases for the new cars that would also run with SS. Weight breaks for autos.

Maybe it's just me, but the class structure seems totally out of control. Cutting classes would make the eliminator a lot more competitive. There would certainly be a LOT more heads up runs.

Just a thought.

boostedf22c · 04-06-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars.

Aren't these all considered modified classes??

SS/AX 09.50 06.20
SS/BX 10.55 06.83
SS/CX 10.80 06.98
SS/DX 08.95 05.86
SS/EX 10.50 06.80
SS/VX 11.60 07.45
SS/AS 09.60 06.26
SS/BS 09.65 06.28
SS/CS 10.30 06.68
SS/DS 10.75 06.95
SS/ES 12.15 07.76
SS/FS 12.45 07.94
SS/GS 13.65 08.62
SS/AM 09.00 05.90
SS/BM 09.20 06.01
SS/CM 09.50 06.20
SS/DM 09.75 06.35
SS/EM 10.00 06.50
SS/FM 10.50 06.80
SS/GM 10.25 06.65

Rich67stang · 04-06-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Way too many. 109 Classes, including the 23 added this year. On the scoops, I have mixed feelings. I think some of them are Comp cars. I know there is supposed to be some difference between the Mod classes and Comp. Maybe somebody smarter than me can tell me what the difference is.

Most of the Modified SS are also Comp cars with added weight breaks, In most cases modified SS cars are comp cars that are not competitive in comp like myself (1967 Mustang), I cannot get this body style to back half the track very fast, even though my 1/8 can run with anyone.

Dick Butler · 04-06-2015, 10:46 AM

Too Many? This depends if you want more people to enter and pay entry or more class type heads up racing. NHRA likes to make everyone feel welcome.(pay more entry money) This leads to more classes so any minor variation in Motor, Body style , Trans can race in the bracket format in their own class. . More entry money at points meets, overhead of event problem solved. No need to advertise to get spectators, Entry pays the way for the whole event.

Fewer classes results in frustrations for racers. Basic problems of NHRA factoring, rule structures make some winners and some always losers. Money spent to win then becomes a complaint used to cover poor choices or lack of money or skills to compete. If HP/lb were continued in S and SS classes and only 30 or 50 classes many could get tired of being always beaten by a " more bogus" hp rated car and stop paying ENTRY money to bracket events. This would be beause more heads up runs at meets. NHRA would lose entry money and they are comfortable with the current way of covering costs.
Modified method should become the way of the future but many haven't been affected yet by hp enough to make the move and their chance to race in Bracket mode is still available to them at every Points meet. Probably too many Mod classes in SS now too.

Bill Diehl · 04-06-2015, 05:41 PM

way to many classes, fans like heads up racing.

What Dick said above though is spot on, money has to come from somewhere, from the racer in a bracket format or the fan in a heads up format.

I happen to like the heads up format.....I want to see how my "talent" stacks up against the best. not everybody feels the same though

Alan Roehrich · 04-06-2015, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Aren't these all considered modified classes??

SS/AX 09.50 06.20
SS/BX 10.55 06.83
SS/CX 10.80 06.98
SS/DX 08.95 05.86
SS/EX 10.50 06.80
SS/VX 11.60 07.45
SS/AS 09.60 06.26
SS/BS 09.65 06.28
SS/CS 10.30 06.68
SS/DS 10.75 06.95
SS/ES 12.15 07.76
SS/FS 12.45 07.94
SS/GS 13.65 08.62
SS/AM 09.00 05.90
SS/BM 09.20 06.01
SS/CM 09.50 06.20
SS/DM 09.75 06.35
SS/EM 10.00 06.50
SS/FM 10.50 06.80
SS/GM 10.25 06.65

Modified Eliminator was originally its own separate class, it was not part of Super Stock. That's the point.

04-05-2015, 06:28 PM	#1
SuperStocks@LionsDragStrip Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 75 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Too Many Super Stock Classes? Are there 2 many classes in Super Stock these days? A can remember from the early days of just a handful, then into the 40s'. Now there are well over 100 classes, is this to many or? Just curious what folks think about this. One other question, should the "hood scoop" cars be in Comp?

04-05-2015, 06:50 PM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Way too many. 109 Classes, including the 23 added this year. On the scoops, I have mixed feelings. I think some of them are Comp cars. I know there is supposed to be some difference between the Mod classes and Comp. Maybe somebody smarter than me can tell me what the difference is. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

04-05-2015, 08:12 PM	#3
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,066 Likes: 1,487 Liked 1,630 Times in 378 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? They should not have killed Modified. That's the place for those cars. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

04-05-2015, 08:36 PM	#5
SSGT Mustang Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jersey Posts: 359 Likes: 35 Liked 204 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? I may be late to the party, but why not have just 14 classes in SS? Have 7.5 lbs-hp, 8.5 lbs-hp, through 20.5 lbs-hp. Give a 5% weight break for an auto, 5% weight break for non-GT cars, 2.5% weight break for non-front wheel drive conversion cars and no 170 lbs. added for driver. Have 6 additional classes for modified that would run with SS. 7.5 lbs-cid to 12.5 lbs-cid, any single 4-barrel. Weight breaks for autos. Have 4 additional cases for the new cars that would also run with SS. Weight breaks for autos. Maybe it's just me, but the class structure seems totally out of control. Cutting classes would make the eliminator a lot more competitive. There would certainly be a LOT more heads up runs. Just a thought.

04-06-2015, 10:46 AM	#8
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? Too Many? This depends if you want more people to enter and pay entry or more class type heads up racing. NHRA likes to make everyone feel welcome.(pay more entry money) This leads to more classes so any minor variation in Motor, Body style , Trans can race in the bracket format in their own class. . More entry money at points meets, overhead of event problem solved. No need to advertise to get spectators, Entry pays the way for the whole event. Fewer classes results in frustrations for racers. Basic problems of NHRA factoring, rule structures make some winners and some always losers. Money spent to win then becomes a complaint used to cover poor choices or lack of money or skills to compete. If HP/lb were continued in S and SS classes and only 30 or 50 classes many could get tired of being always beaten by a " more bogus" hp rated car and stop paying ENTRY money to bracket events. This would be beause more heads up runs at meets. NHRA would lose entry money and they are comfortable with the current way of covering costs. Modified method should become the way of the future but many haven't been affected yet by hp enough to make the move and their chance to race in Bracket mode is still available to them at every Points meet. Probably too many Mod classes in SS now too.

04-06-2015, 05:41 PM	#9
Bill Diehl Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 311 Likes: 2 Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Too Many Super Stock Classes? way to many classes, fans like heads up racing. What Dick said above though is spot on, money has to come from somewhere, from the racer in a bracket format or the fan in a heads up format. I happen to like the heads up format.....I want to see how my "talent" stacks up against the best. not everybody feels the same though