Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock

Mike Delahanty · 07-03-2017, 05:35 PM

I think Jon is spot with this editorial. Check it out.

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...-for-pro-stock

Andy Friar · 07-03-2017, 06:52 PM

I agree Mike, spot on.

hemid68 · 07-03-2017, 07:07 PM

Sounds pretty interesting, but I would have it all on one day, like the Hemi Challenge, so the fan of these cars can see the whole eliminations on one day.
I go to Indy on Friday just to see the AH cars, and I'm able to see all of the Challenge that day. I enjoy the Factory Stock also, but it's not my main thing, but if it was, I would want to see it all at once, without having to spend 4 days.
I'm old enough to remember the start of Pro Stock, and Factory Stock does seem to be the second coming of that show. Put them in the spotlight.

Kevin Panzino · 07-03-2017, 08:43 PM

While we can appreciate the factory stock plug, I can't say this article does us any favors. I'm not crazy about any writer advocating the demise of any category, period. Who is he to advocate that millions of dollars and cubic hours of effort of folks who's passion is pro stock just "go away" after 2018?
Be careful when you say "dead on, Jon". Maybe in a few years he will be out of love with factory stock and will write an article how you all need to go away and then claim the "fill in the blank: class" is the answer to all of nhra's woes and "what the fans want".

And The Biggest issue I have with the article is this quote: "Never mind the fact that drag racing is about the fans and not the competitors." ....... Completely, 180 degrees, dead wrong for what is in fact supposed to be the true mission of nhra.

davidhuff · 07-03-2017, 09:21 PM

I agree,Pro Stock can not even make a field of 16 race cars.

Mike Fuller · 07-03-2017, 09:31 PM

Interesting piece. If it does replace pro stock how much will the cost go up?

ALMACK · 07-04-2017, 07:47 AM

Interesting perspective by the author.

I have felt for some time that NHRA could make PS more realistic and bridge the gap between the current Pro Stock and Super Stock by:

* make the car bodies have the same dimensions as factory production cars.
* Super Stock legal tires.
* The engine would be based on the same architecture as production engines but the racers could poke and stroke them to a certain max cu.in.
* a Limit on supercharger specs ( larger of course than the current SS blowers)

Basically it would be an enhanced version of Super Stock very much like it was in 1970

Mike Fuller · 07-04-2017, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by almack

interesting perspective by the author.

I have felt for some time that nhra could make ps more realistic and bridge the gap between the current pro stock and super stock by:

* make the car bodies have the same dimensions as factory production cars.
* super stock legal tires.
* the engine would be based on the same architecture as production engines but the racers could poke and stroke them to a certain max cu.in.
* a limit on supercharger specs ( larger of course than the current ss blowers)

basically it would be an enhanced version of super stock very much like it was in 1970

x2

bubski · 07-04-2017, 08:49 AM

the current crop of factory stock superstars aint gonna be to happy when all the guys with too much money get their final hosing from nhra and go spend whatever time and money it takes to pee in their pool

Paradigm Shift · 07-04-2017, 09:19 AM

Unfortunately, Mr. Asher presents a myopic view with regard to the current fan base associated with NHRA events.

There won't be twenty people that attend to watch Factory Stock when assigned a premier role at future events.

The relationship of vehicle make or model and attendee is fall less incumbent on a passion for performance automobiles and much more so a quest for an entertainment spectacle and the commensurate value proposition.

Easy to determine. Promote extensively and hold a Factory Stock event and see who turns out.

I'm not sure about the majority of Stock and Super Stock racers, but I'm certainly not going. I don't watch them now.

Only one sure way to make this form of racing exciting and fill seats to any reasonable level as it relates to Stock, Super Stock and Factory Stock - open the parimutuel window!

07-03-2017, 05:35 PM	#1
Mike Delahanty VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,199 Likes: 0 Liked 269 Times in 52 Posts	Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock I think Jon is spot with this editorial. Check it out. http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...-for-pro-stock __________________ Been racing Stock and S/S cars since 1973.

07-03-2017, 06:52 PM	#2
Andy Friar Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Howell, MI Posts: 250 Likes: 698 Liked 226 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock I agree Mike, spot on. __________________ Andy Friar

07-03-2017, 07:07 PM	#3
hemid68 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 163 Likes: 172 Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock Sounds pretty interesting, but I would have it all on one day, like the Hemi Challenge, so the fan of these cars can see the whole eliminations on one day. I go to Indy on Friday just to see the AH cars, and I'm able to see all of the Challenge that day. I enjoy the Factory Stock also, but it's not my main thing, but if it was, I would want to see it all at once, without having to spend 4 days. I'm old enough to remember the start of Pro Stock, and Factory Stock does seem to be the second coming of that show. Put them in the spotlight.

07-03-2017, 08:43 PM	#4
Kevin Panzino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 573 Likes: 293 Liked 747 Times in 136 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock While we can appreciate the factory stock plug, I can't say this article does us any favors. I'm not crazy about any writer advocating the demise of any category, period. Who is he to advocate that millions of dollars and cubic hours of effort of folks who's passion is pro stock just "go away" after 2018? Be careful when you say "dead on, Jon". Maybe in a few years he will be out of love with factory stock and will write an article how you all need to go away and then claim the "fill in the blank: class" is the answer to all of nhra's woes and "what the fans want". And The Biggest issue I have with the article is this quote: "Never mind the fact that drag racing is about the fans and not the competitors." ....... Completely, 180 degrees, dead wrong for what is in fact supposed to be the true mission of nhra.

07-03-2017, 09:21 PM	#5
davidhuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 928 Likes: 1 Liked 120 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock I agree,Pro Stock can not even make a field of 16 race cars.

07-03-2017, 09:31 PM	#6
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 946 Likes: 542 Liked 188 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock Interesting piece. If it does replace pro stock how much will the cost go up? __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK Last edited by Mike Fuller; 07-04-2017 at 08:36 AM.

07-04-2017, 07:47 AM	#7
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,935 Likes: 129 Liked 369 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock Interesting perspective by the author. I have felt for some time that NHRA could make PS more realistic and bridge the gap between the current Pro Stock and Super Stock by: * make the car bodies have the same dimensions as factory production cars. * Super Stock legal tires. * The engine would be based on the same architecture as production engines but the racers could poke and stroke them to a certain max cu.in. * a Limit on supercharger specs ( larger of course than the current SS blowers) Basically it would be an enhanced version of Super Stock very much like it was in 1970 __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT Last edited by ALMACK; 07-04-2017 at 07:49 AM.

07-04-2017, 08:49 AM	#9
bubski Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 228 Likes: 14 Liked 165 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock the current crop of factory stock superstars aint gonna be to happy when all the guys with too much money get their final hosing from nhra and go spend whatever time and money it takes to pee in their pool

07-04-2017, 09:19 AM	#10
Paradigm Shift Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143 Likes: 3 Liked 80 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock Unfortunately, Mr. Asher presents a myopic view with regard to the current fan base associated with NHRA events. There won't be twenty people that attend to watch Factory Stock when assigned a premier role at future events. The relationship of vehicle make or model and attendee is fall less incumbent on a passion for performance automobiles and much more so a quest for an entertainment spectacle and the commensurate value proposition. Easy to determine. Promote extensively and hold a Factory Stock event and see who turns out. I'm not sure about the majority of Stock and Super Stock racers, but I'm certainly not going. I don't watch them now. Only one sure way to make this form of racing exciting and fill seats to any reasonable level as it relates to Stock, Super Stock and Factory Stock - open the parimutuel window!