HOME FORUM RULES CONTACT
     
   
   

Go Back   CLASS RACER FORUM > Class Racer Forums > Stock and Super Stock Tech

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-29-2017, 10:06 AM   #1
Bobby Fazio
VIP Member
 
Bobby Fazio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 1,444
Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts
Default Spark Plugs with Two-Step

Who has a spark plug recommendation? I have been running Autolite AR in both cars for a while but I have to change the stocker plugs often and the sub 3000RPM two step launches seem to foul them up. Have tried AR24 and AR25. A fresh set of plugs sounds very crisp on the two step but declines after 10-15 runs. Leaning out the two step hurts the launch. I check at least 1-2 plugs after every run to keep an eye on it. Is it possible that plug quality isn't that great anymore I was thinking of checking out Denso due to their being a contingency sponsor and trying to sift through their many plug options.
__________________
'65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA
DriverInterviews.com | App.DragInsights.com
Bobby Fazio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 10:37 AM   #2
Rsmith38
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 186
Likes: 0
Liked 28 Times in 15 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

I run Autolite 985 plugs in the Jeep 4.0 (Factory heat range). Have no problem with fouling (2800 on step). I run them 20 runs and replace them. Fouling might occur an the return road?
Rsmith38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 10:47 AM   #3
Bobby Fazio
VIP Member
 
Bobby Fazio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 1,444
Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

I used to think it was pits driving and return road also so I really honed in on those areas and actually have it tuned slightly lean to protect myself in those low RPM, low load areas and running in closed loop down there so when I check plugs after warming her up in the morning and driving through the pits at operating temp they are kinda white when I get back.
__________________
'65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA
DriverInterviews.com | App.DragInsights.com
Bobby Fazio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 11:58 AM   #4
Larry Hill
Live Reporter
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hickory, Ky
Posts: 10,629
Likes: 1,919
Liked 10,680 Times in 2,222 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

We run the plugs from the start of the year until BG points race then we put in a fresh set getting ready for Indy.
__________________
IHM Used Parts
https://ihmusedparts.com
888-821-1817
Larry Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 12:09 PM   #5
Lee Valentine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Brookfield, CT
Posts: 708
Likes: 13
Liked 319 Times in 68 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

I run my engine on the rich side on the 2step and only change them once or twice a season,no problems. How long are you on the 2 step?
__________________
Lee Valentine 1661 STK
Lee Valentine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 04:25 PM   #6
Ed Wright
Veteran Member
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sand Springs, OK
Posts: 8,132
Likes: 896
Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

If you are tuning your air/fuel ratio with your wide band, when on the 2 step, it is actually very rich. The misfireing on the 2step puts a lot of oxygen in the exaust, which equates lean to an 02 sensor. All they measure is oxygen content, to calculate air/fuel ratios. You will see a bogus lean condition on your data logger. Rich there will dirty up the plugs in just a few runs. I have never had to change plugs during a race season. I put new plugs in each spring, just because. The plugs I pull out still look new. I've put a stock converter in mine to get a look at the actual WOT air/fuel ratio at as low as 3000 RPM. Sometimes it is hard to get the dyno to hold one that low for tuning at that low an RPM. Hope this helps. Just how I do it.
__________________
Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA
Ed Wright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 04:26 PM   #7
Bobby Fazio
VIP Member
 
Bobby Fazio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ
Posts: 1,467
Likes: 1,444
Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

As soon as 4 bulbs are lit I get on it. 2-3 seconds I guess. It's probably my tune still needs help in that two step area then. Yes Ed it always shows lean on two step so I try to use converter flash to tune the two step. It is the riches part of the run, when the converter hits.
__________________
'65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA
DriverInterviews.com | App.DragInsights.com
Bobby Fazio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 04:31 PM   #8
Ed Wright
Veteran Member
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sand Springs, OK
Posts: 8,132
Likes: 896
Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

Bobby, on Patterson's dyno we were able to load mine at 3000, I set it to 12.5-1, richest part of my runs as well. Looks like about 15-1 A/F sitting on the 2 step.
__________________
Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA
Ed Wright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2017, 06:47 PM   #9
west coast
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Rainy Washington
Posts: 608
Likes: 12
Liked 222 Times in 72 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

Bobby this what I have been using NGK UR45. Mine are grey to white. On the 2 step same as you. You can run lean around the pits and return road cause you have very little load on the motor. With out fear of burning a piston. Somebody correct me if I am wrong still learning.
__________________
James Boyce 6052 K/SA Stock
National record holder 2015,2018,2 times in 2022,2023
west coast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2017, 12:23 AM   #10
Duane Eiskant II
Senior Member
 
Duane Eiskant II's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Alexandria, Va
Posts: 501
Likes: 261
Liked 57 Times in 33 Posts
Default Re: Spark Plugs with Two-Step

16 VT battery system and problem fixed. Use to have to out a set in every race with the Cleveland. Got smarter and started using it to play the qualifying game
__________________
Duane Eiskant
1354 Stock/Super Stock
Duane Eiskant II is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.