Truck and trailer weight???

art leong · 02-10-2009, 07:23 PM

I weighed my truck and trailer at a Cat Scale today
Empty it weighs 4920 ft axle, 10360 rear axle, 10360 trailer. Total weight 25640
my car weighs 2300, golf cart 800, tools and assorted extra stuff 1500, me, my wife, and the dog another 500. Almost 31,000 pounds
Will (can) I get into trouble with out a CDL? I have a class A license.

7423 · 02-10-2009, 07:28 PM

If your trailer has 3 axles, (over 10,000 lbs GVW) you need a CDL. If your truck has air brakes, you need a CDL. Max length is 65 ft. If over that, needs to registered as commercial.

Bob Verwold · 02-10-2009, 08:42 PM

I understood it to be 26,000 lbs total GVW before a CDL was needed..........

sammy christian · 02-10-2009, 09:08 PM

the need for the CDL comes down to how it is registered. a non-CDL class A license is appropriate as long as it is not reg. commercial or doing business. class A is the right class for something that heavy.

Rob Petrie E395 · 02-10-2009, 09:25 PM

If you tow a trailer with a GVW of 10,000 lbs behind anything in a commercial application you have to have a cdl.

As a example

You have a s-10 pickup and your neighbor wants you to tow their empty open car 10K GVW trailer to another location and PAYS you to do so you are a commerical FOR PROFIT operation and must have a CDL to tow the trailer there. CDL has nothing to do with how much the trailer auctually weighs and everything to do with whats on the sticker on the tongue. There are alot of states that are using this to bust landscapers and mowing companies for not having cdls. This is why there are so many trailers on the market now with a GVW of 9900 to 9999 GVW tags on them.

Now do you need a cdl to tow your race rig that depends on 3 things
1. Is any prize money declared as regular income
2. Do you take your racing expenses off your taxes or your companies taxes
3. Is corprate sponsership involved
If your if you awnser no to question 1 or yes to 2 or 3 you need a cdl
For more info goto the US DOT website and use their search feature and search 390.3 question 21
click on the one that reads "interpretation for Part 390: General"
Then scroll down to queston 21 for more details

390.3 (f)(3) is the US dot rule that alows us to use CMV for personal use without a cdl but you must follow the 3 rules above to be allowed to do so.

I did a bunch a research on this last summer and found this. I auctually printed this out off their site and carry it in the truck so when the day comes that we need it we have it handy. I have a A cdl with everything except haz mat but my wife and son do not as well as most of my buddies that go with me to the track. Now most of the time I do all the driving but a few times I have let someone else drive and this exemption is what save me from having to get them cdls to do so
Hope this helps

Darrin Christen · 02-10-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong

I weighed my truck and trailer at a Cat Scale today
Empty it weighs 4920 ft axle, 10360 rear axle, 10360 trailer. Total weight 25640
my car weighs 2300, golf cart 800, tools and assorted extra stuff 1500, me, my wife, and the dog another 500. Almost 31,000 pounds
Will (can) I get into trouble with out a CDL? I have a class A license.

What type of truck and trailer do you have? Just curious, I have a 42' Champion aluminum trailer with lounge, 2700 lb. car, and a Ezgo gas cart. I weighed it at a truck stop loaded for the races with out the truck and it weighed 16,100 lbs.

art leong · 02-11-2009, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrin Christen

What type of truck and trailer do you have? Just curious, I have a 42' Champion aluminum trailer with lounge, 2700 lb. car, and a Ezgo gas cart. I weighed it at a truck stop loaded for the races with out the truck and it weighed 16,100 lbs.

2000 Ford F550, 48' Cargo Mate (22' LQ w/slide, 18" roof raise).
The truck is a chassis cab truck with Fontaine modification It is quite a bit heavier than a reg F350 .
And my trailer is longer and not aluminum so it seems about right.
Just seems like an awful lot of mass to get rolling and stop I'm glad I have the bigger truck brakes and tires.

Darrin Christen · 02-11-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong

2000 Ford F550, 48' Cargo Mate (22' LQ w/slide, 18" roof raise).
The truck is a chassis cab truck with Fontaine modification It is quite a bit heavier than a reg F350 .
And my trailer is longer and not aluminum so it seems about right.
Just seems like an awful lot of mass to get rolling and stop I'm glad I have the bigger truck brakes and tires.

I tow with a dodge 3500 and would hate to have to stop it in a hurry. I think theres alot of 1 ton trucks out there towing way too much weight. I would love to have a larger truck to tow my trailer.

frank v · 02-11-2009, 05:49 PM

1. Is any prize money declared as regular income
2. Do you take your racing expenses off your taxes or your companies taxes
3. Is corprate sponsership involved
If your if you awnser no to question 1 or yes to 2 or 3 you need a cdl
For more info goto the US DOT website and use their search feature and search 390.3 question 21
what about if you answer no to all 3?

art leong · 02-11-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frank v

1. Is any prize money declared as regular income
2. Do you take your racing expenses off your taxes or your companies taxes
3. Is corprate sponsership involved
If your if you awnser no to question 1 or yes to 2 or 3 you need a cdl
For more info goto the US DOT website and use their search feature and search 390.3 question 21
what about if you answer no to all 3?

Answer is no to all

02-10-2009, 07:23 PM	#1
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Truck and trailer weight??? I weighed my truck and trailer at a Cat Scale today Empty it weighs 4920 ft axle, 10360 rear axle, 10360 trailer. Total weight 25640 my car weighs 2300, golf cart 800, tools and assorted extra stuff 1500, me, my wife, and the dog another 500. Almost 31,000 pounds Will (can) I get into trouble with out a CDL? I have a class A license. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

02-10-2009, 07:28 PM	#2
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Truck and trailer weight??? If your trailer has 3 axles, (over 10,000 lbs GVW) you need a CDL. If your truck has air brakes, you need a CDL. Max length is 65 ft. If over that, needs to registered as commercial.

02-10-2009, 08:42 PM	#3
Bob Verwold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fayetteville Ohio Posts: 656 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Truck and trailer weight??? I understood it to be 26,000 lbs total GVW before a CDL was needed..........

02-10-2009, 09:08 PM	#4
sammy christian Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: buffalo,ny Posts: 35 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Truck and trailer weight??? the need for the CDL comes down to how it is registered. a non-CDL class A license is appropriate as long as it is not reg. commercial or doing business. class A is the right class for something that heavy.

02-10-2009, 09:25 PM	#5
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Truck and trailer weight??? If you tow a trailer with a GVW of 10,000 lbs behind anything in a commercial application you have to have a cdl. As a example You have a s-10 pickup and your neighbor wants you to tow their empty open car 10K GVW trailer to another location and PAYS you to do so you are a commerical FOR PROFIT operation and must have a CDL to tow the trailer there. CDL has nothing to do with how much the trailer auctually weighs and everything to do with whats on the sticker on the tongue. There are alot of states that are using this to bust landscapers and mowing companies for not having cdls. This is why there are so many trailers on the market now with a GVW of 9900 to 9999 GVW tags on them. Now do you need a cdl to tow your race rig that depends on 3 things 1. Is any prize money declared as regular income 2. Do you take your racing expenses off your taxes or your companies taxes 3. Is corprate sponsership involved If your if you awnser no to question 1 or yes to 2 or 3 you need a cdl For more info goto the US DOT website and use their search feature and search 390.3 question 21 click on the one that reads "interpretation for Part 390: General" Then scroll down to queston 21 for more details 390.3 (f)(3) is the US dot rule that alows us to use CMV for personal use without a cdl but you must follow the 3 rules above to be allowed to do so. I did a bunch a research on this last summer and found this. I auctually printed this out off their site and carry it in the truck so when the day comes that we need it we have it handy. I have a A cdl with everything except haz mat but my wife and son do not as well as most of my buddies that go with me to the track. Now most of the time I do all the driving but a few times I have let someone else drive and this exemption is what save me from having to get them cdls to do so Hope this helps Last edited by Rob Petrie E395; 02-10-2009 at 09:30 PM. Reason: spelling Added to

02-11-2009, 05:49 PM	#9
frank v Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ny Posts: 286 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Truck and trailer weight??? 1. Is any prize money declared as regular income 2. Do you take your racing expenses off your taxes or your companies taxes 3. Is corprate sponsership involved If your if you awnser no to question 1 or yes to 2 or 3 you need a cdl For more info goto the US DOT website and use their search feature and search 390.3 question 21 what about if you answer no to all 3? __________________ s/g 1620