3rd round in Denver Stock Elim.

Schenck · 07-12-2009, 03:52 PM

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7402 Tibor Kadar 4135 Brent Hajek
E3 0.002 11.623 104.12 ****WINNER**** 0.018 10.689 127.38
D/SA Dial: 11.60 (+/-): 0.023 A/SA Dial: 10.63 (+/-): 0.059
Prior rounds:
E2 (B McClanahan) 0.046 11.747 0.077 -0.028 10.624 -1.556
E1 (R Hyman ) 0.027 11.642 -0.038 (S Couch ) 0.026 10.867 0.087
Qualified: #17 11.642 -1.138 #1 10.699 -1.481

Explain this one?

John Kelley · 07-12-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schenck

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7402 Tibor Kadar 4135 Brent Hajek
E3 0.002 11.623 104.12 ****WINNER**** 0.018 10.689 127.38
D/SA Dial: 11.60 (+/-): 0.023 A/SA Dial: 10.63 (+/-): 0.059
Prior rounds:
E2 (B McClanahan) 0.046 11.747 0.077 -0.028 10.624 -1.556
E1 (R Hyman ) 0.027 11.642 -0.038 (S Couch ) 0.026 10.867 0.087
Qualified: #17 11.642 -1.138 #1 10.699 -1.481

Explain this one?

IT HAS BEEN REVISED.........Tibor's dial was 11.63

BobOrme · 07-13-2009, 12:32 AM

First, thanks for the email John! We need to know when something like this happens.

To explain how that happens. The raw data feed comes down the line once, unless the clock operator enters car info for both lanes a second time. If the clock operator (the person entering car numbers and dial ins where applicable into the track timing system) makes a mistake entering a number, be it a car number or dial in, if both cars aren't re-entered with the correct numbers, it doesn't go through the data feed. The change will show on the announcer's screen (which is a different feed). With most clock operators, when they know that both lanes need to be reset/re-sent, they are able to do so. Sometimes the mistaken number(s) aren't noticed until the timing system has been activated. When that is the case, it is too late and resetting the numbers can/will end up with a re-run. Nobody is happy when that happens. When we have an announcer screen close by, we try to watch it just in case there are changes that don't make it down the feed and make those changes before capturing the numbers. If we don't see the change in time, aren't close to an announcer screen, or aren't otherwise alerted by race control that we've got bad data before the cars leave, our software will capture the correct winner from the data feed, even when a number like the dial in doesn't make it look like it should.

It's a little complicated, and I'm not sure I explained it very well. Until the car numbers, classes, indexes and dial ins are bar-coded and read by lasers from race control, there will still be human mistakes made with computers involved.

07-13-2009, 12:32 AM	#3
BobOrme Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 25 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 3rd round in Denver Stock Elim. First, thanks for the email John! We need to know when something like this happens. To explain how that happens. The raw data feed comes down the line once, unless the clock operator enters car info for both lanes a second time. If the clock operator (the person entering car numbers and dial ins where applicable into the track timing system) makes a mistake entering a number, be it a car number or dial in, if both cars aren't re-entered with the correct numbers, it doesn't go through the data feed. The change will show on the announcer's screen (which is a different feed). With most clock operators, when they know that both lanes need to be reset/re-sent, they are able to do so. Sometimes the mistaken number(s) aren't noticed until the timing system has been activated. When that is the case, it is too late and resetting the numbers can/will end up with a re-run. Nobody is happy when that happens. When we have an announcer screen close by, we try to watch it just in case there are changes that don't make it down the feed and make those changes before capturing the numbers. If we don't see the change in time, aren't close to an announcer screen, or aren't otherwise alerted by race control that we've got bad data before the cars leave, our software will capture the correct winner from the data feed, even when a number like the dial in doesn't make it look like it should. It's a little complicated, and I'm not sure I explained it very well. Until the car numbers, classes, indexes and dial ins are bar-coded and read by lasers from race control, there will still be human mistakes made with computers involved.

07-12-2009, 03:52 PM	#1
Schenck Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 38 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	3rd round in Denver Stock Elim. Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 7402 Tibor Kadar 4135 Brent Hajek E3 0.002 11.623 104.12 **WINNER** 0.018 10.689 127.38 D/SA Dial: 11.60 (+/-): 0.023 A/SA Dial: 10.63 (+/-): 0.059 Prior rounds: E2 (B McClanahan) 0.046 11.747 0.077 -0.028 10.624 -1.556 E1 (R Hyman ) 0.027 11.642 -0.038 (S Couch ) 0.026 10.867 0.087 Qualified: #17 11.642 -1.138 #1 10.699 -1.481 Explain this one?