Leaded race fuel in Canada??????

Doug Domm · 04-12-2010, 04:19 PM

I am getting conflicting stories on the importation of leaded race fuel into Canada. I thought that was all sorted out! I've been told someone missed the date on application and now we are SOL. Also been told there is a shortage of fuel in western Canada, or is this some marketing scheme like that anti-freeze bunk a few years back? Thanks Doug

Dave Turner · 04-12-2010, 04:46 PM

Doug, this may help you to get a handle on the situation. It has been announced
(in Ontario), that the fuel distributors will not be able to sell leaded fuel until the legislation is passed. This affects vendors, but, to the best of my understanding, not users.

To whom it may concern:

Proposed Regulations Amending the Gasoline Regulations (referred to as the proposed amendments) will be in Part I of the Canada Gazette on April 3, 2010. The proposed amendments and the accompanying regulatory impact analysis statement (RIAS) are available at http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/.../reg2-eng.html.

Until December 31, 2009, Canada's Gasoline Regulations included a temporary exemption for the use of leaded gasoline in competition vehicles. That exemption is now expired. The Regulations currently require that the maximum concentration of lead in gasoline produced, imported or sold in Canada is 5 mg/L (as per section 4 of the Regulations).

The proposed amendment would provide an exemption for the production, import and sale of leaded gasoline in Canada for use in competition vehicles for an indeterminate period. Record keeping and reporting requirements for producers, importers and sellers of leaded gasoline would remain in effect.

Within five years, Environment Canada will review the decision to exempt the use of leaded gasoline in competition vehicles. In keeping with the broader policy goal of reducing lead emissions from gasoline, the government would work with domestic and international stakeholders, including the U.S. EPA, to encourage a continued transition to non-leaded fuels by race sanctioning bodies, would initiate a dialog with domestic stakeholders to promote a transition by Canadian competitors. This review would assess any new U.S. policies on this issue, industry progress towards reduced leaded gasoline use, new developments on the technical and economic feasibility of a transition to non-leaded fuels, and any new information regarding the health impacts of lead exposure at Canadian race tracks.

Any person may, within 60 days after the date of publication of the proposed amendments, submit comments with respect to the proposed amendments or may submit a notice of objection requesting that a board of review be established under section 333 of the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999, and stating the reasons for the objection.

Following this period and taking into consideration all comments received, final amendments would be published in Canada Gazette, Part II, at which time the amendments would become law.

Parties are invited to provide their views in writing on the proposed amendments by June 2, 2010. Written comments may be submitted by email to fuels-carburants@ec.gc.ca, or by sent by mail to:

Leif Stephanson
Manager, Fuels Section
Oil, Gas and Alternative Energy Division
Environment Canada
351 St. Joseph Boulevard, 9th floor
Gatineau, QC K1A 0H3

Darcy Clarke · 04-12-2010, 05:15 PM

The unfortunate part as well is that some of the Fuel suppliers are opening it up to the highest bidder and not selling to people who have supported them. These suppliers will find out that it will be a one time thing and most racers have very long memories, I am one of them. I will not be supporting these businesses in the future.

Darcy Clarke
6254 STK A/SA

Doug Domm · 04-12-2010, 06:13 PM

Supply and demand. Hmmmm! Like I said remember that anti-freeze scam. If my memory serves me right prices on anti-freeze dropped dramatically after that. So if these vendors want to #### and pillage now as Darcy mentioned they may not have the same customer base they had before. Has anyone seen if the Chevy Volt is in the classification guide yet? Sorry maybe that was just some bad humour. Doug

Dinsdale · 04-12-2010, 07:54 PM

A group of us just bought fuel (55 drums) from VP in Calgary. Same price as last year and no, they don't have any left as of last week. The problem is the Canadian Govt just had a 3 month vacation so the legislation never got passed. In steps some moron at Enviroment Canada a puts a halt to all importing. The info I got from the VP distributor is they hope to have this cleared up in a couple weeks.

If someone is gouging you (more than normal) on fuel price then don't do business with them (ever).

Doug Domm · 04-12-2010, 08:13 PM

I'm hearing of prices ranging from $675.00 a drum taxes paid up to $950.00 a drum for c12.

west coast · 04-12-2010, 09:24 PM

Did any one head across the border this last weekend to race in Canada. Confused are you allowed to take fuel across the border for your own consumation? Was going to head to Mission B.C. but did not want to get turn around at the border. Can the border tell the differace between C10 unleaded and C12 leaded.

Dinsdale · 04-12-2010, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Domm

I'm hearing of prices ranging from $675.00 a drum taxes paid up to $950.00 a drum for c12.

Sounds like the wholesale price from the VP distributor and the retail price from the local VP dealer. Keep in mind that the dealer is running a business, needs to have permits and storage etc. and trying to make a bit of profit. A lot of racers just decided he was too expensive so now the guy is out of the business and we have no fuel supplier at Mission this year. The $950.00 is no higher than normal. The $675.00 is because one guy takes orders until he get's a trailer load and we get it at cost.

As to the next post, I've never heard of anyone being checked for fuel at the border. I've crossed with as much as 20 gallons but as long as it's for your own personal use and not an excessive amount then I doubt you'll have a problem.

Doug Domm · 04-12-2010, 10:58 PM

I'm sorry but $950.00 a drum doesn't sound normal and if you are a dealer larger quantity purchases shouldn't be an issue if you hope to have inventory to satisfy customer needs. Yes there are regulations and permits required for storage etc. but that is an expected part of doing business for many other retail businesses as well and they don't attempt to hold you ransom just because they can. Doug

cicero819 · 04-15-2010, 11:33 PM

I know this isn't going to be a popular thread fro me but here goes. Better get use to it because Tetra-ethyl lead isn't a great substance to leave behind us when we are gone and gentlemen it's imprint is there for a long time, it's being ingested by millions of people every day, it's one of the nastiest product ever introduced in our environment. I for one being a responsible racer doesn't want anyone to shove it down our throat anymore than anyone else but it's a fact that we can live without it. General Motors has spent millions of dollars(before they become Government Motors) in studies confirming that no evidence of valve seat recession cause by removing of tetra-ethyl in racing or conventional usage gasoline. Most engines that had factory-installed hardened valve seats,and many flame hardened cast iron seats survived the elimination of lead, although when the flame hardened seats were resurfaced they were more inclined to recession problems mostly caused by an overaggressive mechanic or engine builder with a new valve seat tool.Run lead free Avgas for a fifth of vp racing fuels. It's my opinion and I know what is said about opinions. Claude Ruel

04-12-2010, 04:19 PM	#1
Doug Domm Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: canada Posts: 250 Likes: 28 Liked 84 Times in 21 Posts	Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? I am getting conflicting stories on the importation of leaded race fuel into Canada. I thought that was all sorted out! I've been told someone missed the date on application and now we are SOL. Also been told there is a shortage of fuel in western Canada, or is this some marketing scheme like that anti-freeze bunk a few years back? Thanks Doug

04-12-2010, 04:46 PM	#2
Dave Turner VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Schomberg, ON, Canada Posts: 1,222 Likes: 1,606 Liked 364 Times in 138 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? Doug, this may help you to get a handle on the situation. It has been announced (in Ontario), that the fuel distributors will not be able to sell leaded fuel until the legislation is passed. This affects vendors, but, to the best of my understanding, not users. To whom it may concern: Proposed Regulations Amending the Gasoline Regulations (referred to as the proposed amendments) will be in Part I of the Canada Gazette on April 3, 2010. The proposed amendments and the accompanying regulatory impact analysis statement (RIAS) are available at http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/.../reg2-eng.html. Until December 31, 2009, Canada's Gasoline Regulations included a temporary exemption for the use of leaded gasoline in competition vehicles. That exemption is now expired. The Regulations currently require that the maximum concentration of lead in gasoline produced, imported or sold in Canada is 5 mg/L (as per section 4 of the Regulations). The proposed amendment would provide an exemption for the production, import and sale of leaded gasoline in Canada for use in competition vehicles for an indeterminate period. Record keeping and reporting requirements for producers, importers and sellers of leaded gasoline would remain in effect. Within five years, Environment Canada will review the decision to exempt the use of leaded gasoline in competition vehicles. In keeping with the broader policy goal of reducing lead emissions from gasoline, the government would work with domestic and international stakeholders, including the U.S. EPA, to encourage a continued transition to non-leaded fuels by race sanctioning bodies, would initiate a dialog with domestic stakeholders to promote a transition by Canadian competitors. This review would assess any new U.S. policies on this issue, industry progress towards reduced leaded gasoline use, new developments on the technical and economic feasibility of a transition to non-leaded fuels, and any new information regarding the health impacts of lead exposure at Canadian race tracks. Any person may, within 60 days after the date of publication of the proposed amendments, submit comments with respect to the proposed amendments or may submit a notice of objection requesting that a board of review be established under section 333 of the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999, and stating the reasons for the objection. Following this period and taking into consideration all comments received, final amendments would be published in Canada Gazette, Part II, at which time the amendments would become law. Parties are invited to provide their views in writing on the proposed amendments by June 2, 2010. Written comments may be submitted by email to fuels-carburants@ec.gc.ca, or by sent by mail to: Leif Stephanson Manager, Fuels Section Oil, Gas and Alternative Energy Division Environment Canada 351 St. Joseph Boulevard, 9th floor Gatineau, QC K1A 0H3 __________________ Dave Turner SS/GT #1153

04-12-2010, 05:15 PM	#3
Darcy Clarke Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200 Likes: 22 Liked 493 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? The unfortunate part as well is that some of the Fuel suppliers are opening it up to the highest bidder and not selling to people who have supported them. These suppliers will find out that it will be a one time thing and most racers have very long memories, I am one of them. I will not be supporting these businesses in the future. Darcy Clarke 6254 STK A/SA

04-12-2010, 06:13 PM	#4
Doug Domm Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: canada Posts: 250 Likes: 28 Liked 84 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? Supply and demand. Hmmmm! Like I said remember that anti-freeze scam. If my memory serves me right prices on anti-freeze dropped dramatically after that. So if these vendors want to #### and pillage now as Darcy mentioned they may not have the same customer base they had before. Has anyone seen if the Chevy Volt is in the classification guide yet? Sorry maybe that was just some bad humour. Doug

04-12-2010, 07:54 PM	#5
Dinsdale Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 313 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? A group of us just bought fuel (55 drums) from VP in Calgary. Same price as last year and no, they don't have any left as of last week. The problem is the Canadian Govt just had a 3 month vacation so the legislation never got passed. In steps some moron at Enviroment Canada a puts a halt to all importing. The info I got from the VP distributor is they hope to have this cleared up in a couple weeks. If someone is gouging you (more than normal) on fuel price then don't do business with them (ever). __________________ Dale Posnick

04-12-2010, 08:13 PM	#6
Doug Domm Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: canada Posts: 250 Likes: 28 Liked 84 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? I'm hearing of prices ranging from $675.00 a drum taxes paid up to $950.00 a drum for c12.

04-12-2010, 09:24 PM	#7
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 604 Likes: 12 Liked 215 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? Did any one head across the border this last weekend to race in Canada. Confused are you allowed to take fuel across the border for your own consumation? Was going to head to Mission B.C. but did not want to get turn around at the border. Can the border tell the differace between C10 unleaded and C12 leaded.

04-12-2010, 10:58 PM	#9
Doug Domm Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: canada Posts: 250 Likes: 28 Liked 84 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? I'm sorry but $950.00 a drum doesn't sound normal and if you are a dealer larger quantity purchases shouldn't be an issue if you hope to have inventory to satisfy customer needs. Yes there are regulations and permits required for storage etc. but that is an expected part of doing business for many other retail businesses as well and they don't attempt to hold you ransom just because they can. Doug

04-15-2010, 11:33 PM	#10
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Leaded race fuel in Canada?????? I know this isn't going to be a popular thread fro me but here goes. Better get use to it because Tetra-ethyl lead isn't a great substance to leave behind us when we are gone and gentlemen it's imprint is there for a long time, it's being ingested by millions of people every day, it's one of the nastiest product ever introduced in our environment. I for one being a responsible racer doesn't want anyone to shove it down our throat anymore than anyone else but it's a fact that we can live without it. General Motors has spent millions of dollars(before they become Government Motors) in studies confirming that no evidence of valve seat recession cause by removing of tetra-ethyl in racing or conventional usage gasoline. Most engines that had factory-installed hardened valve seats,and many flame hardened cast iron seats survived the elimination of lead, although when the flame hardened seats were resurfaced they were more inclined to recession problems mostly caused by an overaggressive mechanic or engine builder with a new valve seat tool.Run lead free Avgas for a fifth of vp racing fuels. It's my opinion and I know what is said about opinions. Claude Ruel