Once again a bogus combination

Greg Hill · 04-15-2010, 09:31 AM

Examining these crate motor combinations is really eye opening. I did a little research on the 352 Ford crate motor that is in the guide at 285 hp. I compared it to a crate motor that Ford racing sells to the public that is 347 cubic inches and is rated at 450hp.

1. They both have the same heads M-6049=Z304DA. I couldn't find the runner volumes for these heads in the NHRA specs but I would bet they are substantial.

2. The compression ratio on the 352 is 11.25 to 1, the 347 is 9.7 to 1.

3. The cam in the 352 is a solid roller with .575/.575 lift. The one in the 347 is a hydraulic roller with .580/.602 lift.

4. The valve size on the 352 is 2.08/ 1.60. The valve size on the 347 is 2.02/1.60.

5. The throttle body on the 352 is 1000 cfm. The 347 is rated with a 650 Holley that is not included in the package.

Look at the specs. How can the 352 be at 285 if the 347 is less potent and is rated at 450. This is what NHRA and Ford are doing. The 352 is 165 hp less with weaker specs.

Wake up folks. These crate motor cars can run anywhere from AA to M.

Oh and one other thing the runner volumes I just found on Ford racing's own site are 204 cc's on the intake and 85 on the exhaust.

Harry 6674 · 04-15-2010, 09:36 AM

Wake up to what? Its no secret. Just like the LT1-LS1 days. It'll all work out it just takes longer with shoe polish.

Greg Hill · 04-15-2010, 09:53 AM

We will all be dead and gone by the time these things are correct.

X-TECH MAN · 04-15-2010, 10:59 AM

Im with you on this. The older cars and racers (stock and S/S) are "Dead" and dont even know it yet.

Jack McCarthy · 04-15-2010, 11:16 AM

so greg...
what class does your ford van / truck/ mini van thing fit with the 352 crate motor ???

now that would be a cool stocker even i could like... it's almost a station wagon

jack

sorry i couldnt resit !

Jim Kaekel · 04-15-2010, 11:25 AM

After reading the specs. per Greg, it's obvious that Ford surely has a master plan....$$$. Win on Sunday (by using bogus HP factors to spank the competition) and sell on Monday. The sad thing is that the majority of the "fans in the stands" are gullible enough to believe that what they see on the track is what they get at the dealer.

XSTOCKER · 04-15-2010, 11:32 AM

Crate motors and NHRA......priceless!

Charley Downing · 04-15-2010, 11:45 AM

Greg give it up.

LNorton · 04-15-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSTOCKER

Crate motors and NHRA......priceless!

That's exactly what I was thinking...

The crate motors can't run AA-M... they can run A-M/CRATE MOTOR in IHRA!

Ken Miele · 04-15-2010, 12:00 PM

Greg,

The camshaft spec is wrong, it should be .512/.512, just to set the record straight. Maybe you will be gone Greg, but I will still be having fun.

Terry, Stk and SS are dead for guys like you, The numbers from NHRA are higher then ever before for competition numbers in stock eliminator.

You can change with the times or you can dream about the old days. There is no future in the past.

04-15-2010, 09:31 AM	#1
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Once again a bogus combination Examining these crate motor combinations is really eye opening. I did a little research on the 352 Ford crate motor that is in the guide at 285 hp. I compared it to a crate motor that Ford racing sells to the public that is 347 cubic inches and is rated at 450hp. 1. They both have the same heads M-6049=Z304DA. I couldn't find the runner volumes for these heads in the NHRA specs but I would bet they are substantial. 2. The compression ratio on the 352 is 11.25 to 1, the 347 is 9.7 to 1. 3. The cam in the 352 is a solid roller with .575/.575 lift. The one in the 347 is a hydraulic roller with .580/.602 lift. 4. The valve size on the 352 is 2.08/ 1.60. The valve size on the 347 is 2.02/1.60. 5. The throttle body on the 352 is 1000 cfm. The 347 is rated with a 650 Holley that is not included in the package. Look at the specs. How can the 352 be at 285 if the 347 is less potent and is rated at 450. This is what NHRA and Ford are doing. The 352 is 165 hp less with weaker specs. Wake up folks. These crate motor cars can run anywhere from AA to M. Oh and one other thing the runner volumes I just found on Ford racing's own site are 204 cc's on the intake and 85 on the exhaust. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK Last edited by Greg Hill; 04-15-2010 at 09:52 AM.

04-15-2010, 09:36 AM	#2
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination Wake up to what? Its no secret. Just like the LT1-LS1 days. It'll all work out it just takes longer with shoe polish.

04-15-2010, 09:53 AM	#3
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination We will all be dead and gone by the time these things are correct. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

04-15-2010, 10:59 AM	#4
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination Im with you on this. The older cars and racers (stock and S/S) are "Dead" and dont even know it yet.

04-15-2010, 11:16 AM	#5
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 474 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination so greg... what class does your ford van / truck/ mini van thing fit with the 352 crate motor ??? now that would be a cool stocker even i could like... it's almost a station wagon jack sorry i couldnt resit ! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-15-2010, 11:25 AM	#6
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,227 Likes: 133 Liked 531 Times in 108 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination After reading the specs. per Greg, it's obvious that Ford surely has a master plan....$$$. Win on Sunday (by using bogus HP factors to spank the competition) and sell on Monday. The sad thing is that the majority of the "fans in the stands" are gullible enough to believe that what they see on the track is what they get at the dealer. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK

04-15-2010, 11:32 AM	#7
XSTOCKER Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 19 Liked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination Crate motors and NHRA......priceless!

04-15-2010, 11:45 AM	#8
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination Greg give it up. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

04-15-2010, 12:00 PM	#10
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,861 Likes: 456 Liked 16,554 Times in 1,522 Posts	Re: Once again a bogus combination Greg, The camshaft spec is wrong, it should be .512/.512, just to set the record straight. Maybe you will be gone Greg, but I will still be having fun. Terry, Stk and SS are dead for guys like you, The numbers from NHRA are higher then ever before for competition numbers in stock eliminator. You can change with the times or you can dream about the old days. There is no future in the past.