Guaranteed Purses

Tracy Robbins · 05-12-2010, 08:15 AM

This day in time it's hard for tracks to justify taking a chance on guaranteed purses. This past weekend we ran a combo race at Roxboro that had been on the calendar since January, which gave all the racers ample time to plan ahead to try and make it. Over the winter Allen (the track manager) asked what would it take on his end to get the racers to support his s/ss monthly events...everyone said "guaranteed purse". So he stepped up and advertised a minimum of $1000 to win and $200 r/u and over 21 cars we revert back to the 100% payback system. Well, I have to give a big thanks to Allen as well as the track owners Jerry and Henry as they paid out the guaranteed purse plus $75 to the semi finalist and there were only 12 cars there. If you're not familiar w/ this race try to make it if you can the second Saturday in every month through November.

X-TECH MAN · 05-12-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracy Robbins

This day in time it's hard for tracks to justify taking a chance on guaranteed purses. This past weekend we ran a combo race at Roxboro that had been on the calendar since January, which gave all the racers ample time to plan ahead to try and make it. Over the winter Allen (the track manager) asked what would it take on his end to get the racers to support his s/ss monthly events...everyone said "guaranteed purse". So he stepped up and advertised a minimum of $1000 to win and $200 r/u and over 21 cars we revert back to the 100% payback system. Well, I have to give a big thanks to Allen as well as the track owners Jerry and Henry as they paid out the guaranteed purse plus $75 to the semi finalist and there were only 12 cars there. If you're not familiar w/ this race try to make it if you can the second Saturday in every month through November.

I congratulate the track manager and it just proves that a lot dont race for the money. Dont take this the wrong way BUT.......Its about "Grade points" at NHRA points races and egos. Go fast at a points race with fuel check, weight, and the go fast guys dont have to just bracket race and they get to thump thier chests more. A lot dont like to mix the stockers and S/S cars together as they (stockers) think the S/S cars have the advantage with the trans brakes, air shifters, larger tires and S/S style chassis not to mention higher speeds and 8 and 9 second ET's. At least this is what I hear from the stocker racers that I know real well. Its sad but there is a place for both types of races. The legal class cars are becoming a dinasour.
P.S. Last weekend was MOTHERS DAY and its hard to butt heads against that.

Mike Pearson · 05-12-2010, 08:56 AM

At the Southern Stock/Super Stock Association races the stockers have done much better than the super stock cars. I think we have had only 1 or 2 super stock winners out of all of the races. There are more stockers than super stockers at most of the races. I dont see much advantage with my super stock car over a stocker. They consistently kick my butt.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 05-12-2010, 09:33 AM

Like what Mike said at the Buckeye races we have had more stockers win then Super Stockers and I'm saying like i have said before, i don't care who is promoting a SS/Stock combo race, please help support them as this might be the way of the future for these class type cars to run together and be able to run often.

Mike Carr · 05-12-2010, 12:01 PM

In our series (Tri-State S/SS Association), Stockers have dominated. Stockers have won all four season Championships that we've kept track of points for (Tom Losket C/SA 1997, Jeff Ross I/PSA 1999, Steve Klacik O/SA 2000, Luke Morris N/SA 2008). At Hagerstown MD, I've been doing races there since 1995. In 17 spring and fall races at Hagerstown since 1995, Stockers have taken 22 of the 34 final round spots and 11 of the 17 wins (1997 was totally washed out). Stockers won all three races last year (four, counting the M-D Gamblers) and six of eight finals. I could go back and look up all the events in Tri-State history, and I bet Stockers have about 60% of the wins and probably even a bigger percentage of finals. So, Stockers can more than hold their own in Combo races.

danny waters sr · 05-12-2010, 03:37 PM

We had 2 superstockers and 16 stockers at KDS this past weekend. Terry you have a point ,but look at the stockers that run superstock now at the sanctioned events. The 1st Z-Max race was superstock only and i kow there were close to 1/2 stockers running in it.Final 3 was 1 superstocker and 2 stockers.

X-TECH MAN · 05-12-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr

We had 2 superstockers and 16 stockers at KDS this past weekend. Terry you have a point ,but look at the stockers that run superstock now at the sanctioned events. The 1st Z-Max race was superstock only and i kow there were close to 1/2 stockers running in it.Final 3 was 1 superstocker and 2 stockers.

OK....then WHY wont the racers support the stock S/S combo circuit events? Less pain in the butt, less time away from home and work, good pay outs, no waiting on sponsor pay outs, NO grade points needed, shorter travel, it all seems like a win win situation to me. Is it because of the no heads up runs or wt. and fuel checks? Anyone??? Lets fix/figure out the problem before the ONLY place you have to play is at a National event or a points/open race.

danny waters sr · 05-12-2010, 07:33 PM

If i could answer that , i would be the richest track operator in the world. Top 10 list 1- No Heads-up, 2- No scales , 3- No tech inspection , 4 - No NHRA uniforms, 5 - No fuel check , 6 - No NHRA uniforms , 7 - (refer to # 4 & # 6) , 8 - Prestige , 9 - no $ 280.00 entry fee , 10 - Can't stay 3-4 days to race 1 race , 11 - ???????anyone? I could name more ,but let's here some of yours.

X-TECH MAN · 05-12-2010, 08:01 PM

Number 4 and 6 and 7 would win me over.....lol. All kidding aside I wish I knew also. Even the East Coast stock & S/S circuit in NJ only gets somewhere around 20 to 25 cars and there are more class legal cars per square inch around Atco NJ than any where in the USA. Maybe its just the economy? People who are not rich have only so much $$$$ to play with and maybe they would rather run the points, opens, and large events although from the looks and size of most of the tow rigs I kind of doubt money is the real problem. Im thinking its #'s 1, 2, 3, and 5.

Jim Woods · 05-12-2010, 08:04 PM

Ido not know the answer, We at the ssssa usually can count on seeing the same faces of a select few each and every race.Many come and race every chance they get and then some just dont show up even when its in their own backyard. All of these associations were created to give all class racers a place to race that is fun and wont break the bank. In my opinion, if there is no participation now in the assoc. , there eventually will not be an assoc. for many. Then when it becomes almost impossible to find a place to race your s/ss cars, the class will die off or be sold off and when everyone then wants an association, nobody will want to take the chance for fear of support. think about it guys and gals. you need to support the associations who are trying to help you. ok, fire away

05-12-2010, 08:15 AM	#1
Tracy Robbins Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Youngsville, NC Posts: 846 Likes: 3 Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts	Guaranteed Purses This day in time it's hard for tracks to justify taking a chance on guaranteed purses. This past weekend we ran a combo race at Roxboro that had been on the calendar since January, which gave all the racers ample time to plan ahead to try and make it. Over the winter Allen (the track manager) asked what would it take on his end to get the racers to support his s/ss monthly events...everyone said "guaranteed purse". So he stepped up and advertised a minimum of $1000 to win and $200 r/u and over 21 cars we revert back to the 100% payback system. Well, I have to give a big thanks to Allen as well as the track owners Jerry and Henry as they paid out the guaranteed purse plus $75 to the semi finalist and there were only 12 cars there. If you're not familiar w/ this race try to make it if you can the second Saturday in every month through November. __________________ Tracy Robbins SS 9766

05-12-2010, 08:56 AM	#3
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,438 Likes: 611 Liked 1,905 Times in 572 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses At the Southern Stock/Super Stock Association races the stockers have done much better than the super stock cars. I think we have had only 1 or 2 super stock winners out of all of the races. There are more stockers than super stockers at most of the races. I dont see much advantage with my super stock car over a stocker. They consistently kick my butt. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

05-12-2010, 09:33 AM	#4
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 57 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses Like what Mike said at the Buckeye races we have had more stockers win then Super Stockers and I'm saying like i have said before, i don't care who is promoting a SS/Stock combo race, please help support them as this might be the way of the future for these class type cars to run together and be able to run often. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

05-12-2010, 12:01 PM	#5
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses In our series (Tri-State S/SS Association), Stockers have dominated. Stockers have won all four season Championships that we've kept track of points for (Tom Losket C/SA 1997, Jeff Ross I/PSA 1999, Steve Klacik O/SA 2000, Luke Morris N/SA 2008). At Hagerstown MD, I've been doing races there since 1995. In 17 spring and fall races at Hagerstown since 1995, Stockers have taken 22 of the 34 final round spots and 11 of the 17 wins (1997 was totally washed out). Stockers won all three races last year (four, counting the M-D Gamblers) and six of eight finals. I could go back and look up all the events in Tri-State history, and I bet Stockers have about 60% of the wins and probably even a bigger percentage of finals. So, Stockers can more than hold their own in Combo races. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

05-12-2010, 03:37 PM	#6
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses We had 2 superstockers and 16 stockers at KDS this past weekend. Terry you have a point ,but look at the stockers that run superstock now at the sanctioned events. The 1st Z-Max race was superstock only and i kow there were close to 1/2 stockers running in it.Final 3 was 1 superstocker and 2 stockers. __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

05-12-2010, 07:33 PM	#8
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses If i could answer that , i would be the richest track operator in the world. Top 10 list 1- No Heads-up, 2- No scales , 3- No tech inspection , 4 - No NHRA uniforms, 5 - No fuel check , 6 - No NHRA uniforms , 7 - (refer to # 4 & # 6) , 8 - Prestige , 9 - no $ 280.00 entry fee , 10 - Can't stay 3-4 days to race 1 race , 11 - ???????anyone? I could name more ,but let's here some of yours. __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

05-12-2010, 08:01 PM	#9
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses Number 4 and 6 and 7 would win me over.....lol. All kidding aside I wish I knew also. Even the East Coast stock & S/S circuit in NJ only gets somewhere around 20 to 25 cars and there are more class legal cars per square inch around Atco NJ than any where in the USA. Maybe its just the economy? People who are not rich have only so much $$$$ to play with and maybe they would rather run the points, opens, and large events although from the looks and size of most of the tow rigs I kind of doubt money is the real problem. Im thinking its #'s 1, 2, 3, and 5. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 05-12-2010 at 08:09 PM.

05-12-2010, 08:04 PM	#10
Jim Woods Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: celina, ohio Posts: 623 Likes: 4 Liked 12 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Guaranteed Purses Ido not know the answer, We at the ssssa usually can count on seeing the same faces of a select few each and every race.Many come and race every chance they get and then some just dont show up even when its in their own backyard. All of these associations were created to give all class racers a place to race that is fun and wont break the bank. In my opinion, if there is no participation now in the assoc. , there eventually will not be an assoc. for many. Then when it becomes almost impossible to find a place to race your s/ss cars, the class will die off or be sold off and when everyone then wants an association, nobody will want to take the chance for fear of support. think about it guys and gals. you need to support the associations who are trying to help you. ok, fire away __________________ Jim Woods