Why can stock be really stock?

[cicero819]

Ok, I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but here goes. Why can stock eliminator be really all stock components. Stock should be stock and if and when your budget allows you to, you can move to super stock if this is what you want. As far as I'm concern building a stocker(I'm presently doing) is more like building a super stocker. Maybe NHRA should introduce Pure Stock back to allow some new blood back in our sport. Motor, transmission,suspension and everything else are putting a drag on the build. I love the ingenuity that stock racer bring with their many types of combo's(one of the reasons I enjoy Indy so much) from PT Cruisers to Cadillacs all have found a place to race in Stock eliminator and I hope that it never stops but we have to stop the bleeding and return to our roots. NHRA Bring Back Pure Stock! Claude Ruel

[Todd Boyer]

IHRA has Pure Stock so why not NHRA. Maybe that's why "N" won't do it - "I" has it. I think it's a great idea. Likely at least somewhat cheaper than Stock Eliminator as it is today.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Ok, I know I'm going to get blasted for this, but here goes. Why can stock eliminator be really all stock components. Stock should be stock and if and when your budget allows you to, you can move to super stock if this is what you want. As far as I'm concern building a stocker(I'm presently doing) is more like building a super stocker. Maybe NHRA should introduce Pure Stock back to allow some new blood back in our sport. Motor, transmission,suspension and everything else are putting a drag on the build. I love the ingenuity that stock racer bring with their many types of combo's(one of the reasons I enjoy Indy so much) from PT Cruisers to Cadillacs all have found a place to race in Stock eliminator and I hope that it never stops but we have to stop the bleeding and return to our roots. NHRA Bring Back Pure Stock! Claude Ruel

IHRA already has this but IHRA isnt all over the country for everyone. The so called pure stock class' IHRA has is very similar to the old Jr. stock. When stock was really stock as in 1972 in NHRA it was a joke. Guys still cheated like crazy and tear down was a major pain in the butt. Thats the reason the way stock is what it is today. The tech guys who really know/knew this stuff are long gone except for maybe good people like Travis,Dave Ley and Westly. Its labor intensive to have tear downs like we used to have back befor 1985 or so before the cam and valve spring rules changed. They might as well combine stock and S/S these days as todays stockers are more radical than my old SS/IA Camaro was in 1977/78.

[Lew Silverman]

This sounds like an interesting idea - after all, "everything old is new again!"

Case in point - Roy Hill is building a Mustang Cobra Jet Super Stock for "Match Racing"! The idea being (I guess!) is to get others to build DP's and Mustang's (and Camaro's?) to race each other around the country. Is this 1964 again???

Who builds the first "altered wheelbase" DP? My head's still spinning!

Lew

[X-TECH MAN]

I doubt it will fly. About 11 years ago we tried to set up best out of 3 or 5 match races with some of the better known IHRA top stockers (NHRA racers also and before the crate engine joke that GM rammed down our throats). Guys like Mike Keener, Jim Morgan, and some others in 9 second and 10 flat REAL A/S and B/s cars. Wheel standing gear jamming on a 5 tenths pro tree and all. it was the best show on the planet the first year kind pof like real Pro Stock in 1970 but it went no where.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I doubt it will fly. About 11 years ago we tried to set up best out of 3 or 5 match races with some of the better known IHRA top stockers (NHRA racers also and before the crate engine joke that GM rammed down our throats). Guys like Mike Keener, Jim Morgan, and some others in 9 second and 10 flat REAL A/S and B/s cars. Wheel standing gear jamming on a 5 tenths pro tree and all. it was the best show on the planet the first year kind pof like real Pro Stock in 1970 but it went no where.

Terry,didn't the threat of "lawyer intervention" help kill Top Stock?????????????

[Tony Janes]

The way I see the problem, is simply change the name from stock to jr. super stock. Then we would not have to worry about what is stock and what is not stock.

[rx dealer]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Terry,didn't the threat of "lawyer intervention" help kill Top Stock?????????????

Ed. G.M pulled the plug on sponsorship, so we (the racers) were forced to self sponsor the class and it was expensive and it caused many racers to stop racing or switch class. soon after things fell apart, to this day i miss Top/Stock at the end it was called Pro Top/Stock...Luke SS 311

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Terry,didn't the threat of "lawyer intervention" help kill Top Stock?????????????

Im not quite sure about the "Lawyer intervention" part of it killing it off but it was the forever expansion of rules and the massive cheating not to mention the "buying off" of a tech official who was supposed to be checking this crap several years after I threw in the towel. The existence of non stock intake manifolds on the now allowed FI cars and ported throttle bodies on LS 1 type engines and so on. The GM engineer (Gary Penn) screwed it all up initionally by shoving the crate motors down our throats. Myself and Mike Keener had our "hands tied". It was a good idea in the beginning but when outside forces who know NOTHING about stock racing try to run the show it turned into a nightmare. Even Keener gave up not long after I quit. When it became a "Self sponsored" race one team in particular bought their way into a Championship. The rules went crazy in the allowed parts and no one was around to police it. It was a circus. Or better yet you could call it a "Monkey F##K". It became like allowing the inmates running the crazy house. If the new cars are allowed in a top stock program as I heard MIGHT be revived (Not in IHRA) then it will be a joke all over again with the bogus HP factors being used. Lets hope they wont be allowed to run with the older cars unless the HP factor are brought up to speed or a new DP or Mustang will be all you see running heads up.

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

The way I see the problem, is simply change the name from stock to jr. super stock. Then we would not have to worry about what is stock and what is not stock.

Mr Janes, we have super stock exactly for that direction, we still need stock. In a purest form only format. There is so many great combinations such as Ed Fernandez, Billy Nees who are proving that you can do so much with what you have.CR